noob first post with project

[brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com]

hello all im new to volvo world i was brought in to it about 2 months ago and im likin it so far. my room mate gave me a 83 240 turbo wagon as a gift and the first thing i said was i want to put a 350 in it, "DO IT!!!!" creepersleeper said. so that is why im on here now i need to see pics or projects for help. i know about J.T.R.com but i still like to see what other people are doing. i will be posting pics soon of my car (or whats left of it). but thank you for reading and stay tuned...

[95'850GLT]

I am doing a 5.0 HO V8 conversion on my 88' 745. Just tearing down and freshening up the 5.0 HO I bought recently. Planning on using the converse engineering kit for the conversion. If you google converse engineering it will be the top one. He makes kits for 200, 700, and 900 series rear drive volvos using the 5.0 HO mustang motor. If you ever call him, he is a HUGE knowledge bank for V8 volvos, and a nice guy to boot. I'd start there.

[fivealive]

With a few cheap upgrades, you could be making 200 hp with your stock motor you know. Turbo wagons are hard to beat - they are my favorite volvo ever made, hands down. Why would you want a big honkin V8 gas guzzler in there, I don't know, but yeah people do it.

A V8 is not really a sleeper though, because most people who care can tell from sound of the exhaust. If you REALLY want a sleeper, remove the "Turbo" badges and slap a giant turbo on the side of the stock engine.

On the other hand, if you've got assloads of money and really love V8's, go with a V8 swap I guess.

[95'850GLT]

cheap upgrades make 200hp with the stock Volvo motor, but consider upgrades in the future. When you get into bigger turbos it gets pricey. I paid 200 bucks for a running 1987 5.0 HO motor with a perfect A.O.D. 4spd still attached. 200hp and 285fpt bone stock in 87', "No replacement for displacement" they always say . Volvo has my heart, Ford has my wallet Suppose it all depends what your trying to build, whether you should go with a few upgrades to your stocker motor, or the V8.

[fivealive]

Yeah, there are advantages to a V8 swap - lots of potential for power. Dug's 740 wagon with the twin turbo corvette engine comes to mind.

It really depends on your budget and goals.

[brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com]

ya the only reson i dont want to bulid a stock motor is i HATE wiring engines and i hate cis. so im going to rock the v8.

Originally Posted by brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com

ya the only reson i dont want to bulid a stock motor is i HATE wiring engines and i hate cis. so im going to rock the v8.

ya know... a few improvements have come along since cis.

Wiring is only a state of mind.

[2fast4u]

hate cis? dayum..when I had my veedub I loved it. but I know it isn't ice to big mods and if u don't know it its tough to really tune at all. I'm all for the v8 but don't do a 350 man. do the 5.0 stang motor. weight savings, sound BA, and I think when they are built they rev higher and run better as a dd.
a stang with GT40P heads(off ford explorer) a B cam, demon carb, and an air gap manifold will break 12s any day of the week with my lil sis driving it...now you get to ask yourself one question.do you want a 12s wagon?well? do ya, punk?

[RvolvoR]

Originally Posted by brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com

ya the only reson i dont want to bulid a stock motor is i HATE wiring engines and i hate cis. so im going to rock the v8.

fine, then sell the turbo wagon to somebody who will appreciate it and buy an NA wagon to convert

[95'850GLT]

I'm doing the 5.0 because its a 60 degree V instead of the 350's 90 degree. Its smaller but has equal amounts of aftermarket parts out for it to really make it a runner(course stock it'll burn the tires on a 4000 pound Lincoln Mark VII on dry pavement). I'm convinced Ford builds stronger/better engines than chevrolet. Everybody has 350's in everything, and their brother has one to, and his brothers friends brother in his car as well. Have something at least a LITTLE different I say, go with a Fjord

[Mueller]

Originally Posted by 95'850GLT

I'm doing the 5.0 because its a 60 degree V instead of the 350's 90 degree. Its smaller but has equal amounts of aftermarket parts out for it to really make it a runner(course stock it'll burn the tires on a 4000 pound Lincoln Mark VII on dry pavement). I'm convinced Ford builds stronger/better engines than chevrolet. Everybody has 350's in everything, and their brother has one to, and his brothers friends brother in his car as well. Have something at least a LITTLE different I say, go with a Fjord

...the only 60° motors from Ford that I can think of is there early 2.8 V6's that came in the European imported Capris (and then Ranger Pickups) and the SHO's (a V6 and then the 60° V8, both built by Yamaha)

[BB-Q]

I was under the impression that the Ford 5.0 V8 was a 60deg vee as well. It's an amazingly compact engine for it's displacement.

[2fast4u]

how about with a set aluminum heads the ford motor weighs zilch compared o chevys motors. a chevy motor can be built tough too. owned both. I've owned a 350hp ford and a 350hp chevy. like I said. the chevy made crazy torque. but the stang was a rocket off the line and loved to rev. want a rev happy chevy? get a 327 or a newer chevy motor.

[brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com]

the only thing that makes me shoot for the 350 is the motor mount kit and the price on the 350's out there. im 20 years old working at jiffy lube and no i dont live with mommy and daddy so my car is going to be baking he bank sometimes. if you want to shoot me some quotes of the ford motor that would be great!!!

p.s. im so happy i jumped to this for and ditched vwvortex.com!!! you guys are great!!!!

[2fast4u]

Originally Posted by brysdjcluesdjclue@msn.com

p.s. im so happy i jumped to this for and ditched vwvortex.com!!! you guys are great!!!!

I cant believe you said that lol. I just said in my last post in another thread how I used to be a Volkswagen fan and VWvortex made me not want to work on veedubs anymore. Buncha kids who bought cheap ass sports cars and think they know everything. no pics, and half the post's were bull crap.

[John V, outside agitator]

Originally Posted by Mueller

...the only 60° motors from Ford that I can think of is there early 2.8 V6's that came in the European imported Capris (and then Ranger Pickups) and the SHO's (a V6 and then the 60° V8, both built by Yamaha)

Oh come on, what about the great, immensely tunable Ford V4 , also 60 degrees??


Oi what's this, eh? Volvo content (fair bit more Volvo content than shoving lumps of pig-iron scrap V8s into pooor innocent Volvos)

What's all this then, eh? on a 60 degree Ford V4?

Looks mighty Volvo-y to me!

And OH! what's this things doing here?


BBQ trhe reason the Ford V8s are so compact is they have an exceptionally short deck height.
Where 5.7" is normal Chevy V8 rod c-c (sounds like a Volvo M rod duddnit?)
Ford's V8 has just 5.15" c-c.

And where Chevys can accept up to a 6.3" /160mm c-c rod (now that really sound familiar from somewhere, gotta think, think! THINK!!!!!), about 5.5" is all you can reasonably shove into the Ford
Here's some Ford V8 5.4" rods (Going into the nice 60 degree Ford V4 above)


So the Ford V8 is 90 degrees, of course, just a very compromised design (have a look at the hear 90 degree approach the intake ports approach the valve stem, that's lower that Chevvy's upward canted ports.)

Ain't it something that even old 60s Ford V4s get Soooper Bitching rods and forged pistons?

wait... you can't compare engines... that's impossible.

[YLD244]

whoa! that ford V4 engine is interesting! never heard of that before? what cars are they originally from? the crank isnt in the middle of the v?

[Mueller]

Originally Posted by John V, outside agitator

Oh come on, what about the great, immensely tunable Ford V4 , also 60 degrees??
Oi what's this, eh? Volvo content (fair bit more Volvo content than shoving lumps of pig-iron scrap V8s into pooor innocent Volvos)

What's all this then, eh? on a 60 degree Ford V4?
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Looks mighty Volvo-y to me!

And OH! what's this things doing here?

BBQ trhe reason the Ford V8s are so compact is they have an exceptionally short deck height.
Where 5.7" is normal Chevy V8 rod c-c (sounds like a Volvo M rod duddnit?)
Ford's V8 has just 5.15" c-c.

And where Chevys can accept up to a 6.3" /160mm c-c rod (now that really sound familiar from somewhere, gotta think, think! THINK!!!!!), about 5.5" is all you can reasonably shove into the Ford
Here's some Ford V8 5.4" rods (Going into the nice 60 degree Ford V4 above)


So the Ford V8 is 90 degrees, of course, just a very compromised design (have a look at the hear 90 degree approach the intake ports approach the valve stem, that's lower that Chevvy's upward canted ports.)

Ain't it something that even old 60s Ford V4s get Soooper Bitching rods and forged pistons?

okay, one that was built before I was born, and I'm not "that" young

spent some time reading up on that motor, I didn't know it was the basis for one of my favorite engines...the 60° V6 that came in the early Capris....I actually considered using a more modern version in my 242 had it not been for the smog issue....

[spruill242]

hey i say go for it. im driving a conversion car and having alot of fun doing it. dont let these guys get all overly volvo loving on ya. remember its just a car, and a car is just a tool. so use it in any way that makes you happy. if that includes a 350, so be it. just get it done.

[JohnMc]

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/pts/374658073.html

[2fast4u]

Originally Posted by JohnMc

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/pts/374658073.html

nuff said

[John V, outside agitator]

Originally Posted by 740ATL

wait... you can't compare engines... that's impossible.

Oh shoot, I forgot!!!
What was I thinking?

[John V, outside agitator]

Originally Posted by Mueller

okay, one that was built before I was born, and I'm not "that" young

spent some time reading up on that motor, I didn't know it was the basis for one of my favorite engines...the 60° V6 that came in the early Capris....I actually considered using a more modern version in my 242 had it not been for the smog issue....

But it was made all the way to 1980.

The 2.9 finally solved a major issue which plauged the previous 2.0, 2.3, 2.6 and 2.8 versions namely cam wind up and squirm leading to cam failure or cam gear failure.
They went to chain drive and upped the diameter of the cam bearings.

Wind-up and failures eliminated, the motor could run whackier cam opening rates and tolerate reliably funner camshafts.
They have a nice compact combustion chamber and can tolerate, with zero deck flat tops, high 10s to low 11s static compression.
And if you liked how they went in the old Capris, you'd love them with 11:1 vs the US spec 8.0 comp. Gives them just a weeeee bit more torque.

The 2.9 also got IE IE IE intake and exhaust valve placement and got rid of the IE EI two exhausts next to eachother and the hot spots from that.

Finally, there are nice versions like these available for cheap since 1991:


Hmmmm


Nice cutaway of original "BOA" 2.9 24v


Here you can clearly see the 60 degree V


With a simple programmable ECU for fuel and spark 300 bhp is a snap.

[Boosted2003]

Sorta looks like the v4's out of an old saab sonet.