Igor's '60 PV544 Tarmac Rally Car

igor · 10-28-2007, 09:27 PM

To be fair, it's mine and my Dad's. Just had a fantastic week at the Targa NZ! I'm gonna start putting up some info and pics about the car and it's specs.

Will be looking for feedback on how to make it more competitive, so let me know what you guys think. In the meantime, check this.

gsellstr · 10-29-2007, 12:19 AM

Awesome dude!! Sounds like a fun run. Any chance you've got any video's of any section of the drive?

igor · 10-29-2007, 02:18 AM

Yeah, I've got a few tapes to go through. I'll try and pick out some good sections and post them up.

An embarrassing clip can be found here!

BrickLove · 10-29-2007, 06:06 AM

I remember reading about your car (It is the picture in your avatar, right?) a few years back and falling in love with the PV444/544 series.

aibast · 10-29-2007, 06:38 AM

I wish I could do something like that @ the moment must be happy with some trackdays. All the rallys in here are on gravel. Something similar to Finnish Rallys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtqWvNwKolk

stylngle2003 · 10-29-2007, 03:56 PM

a little less understeer and brake lockup and you'd have made that corner just fine!

hudson · 10-31-2007, 08:26 PM

What can you do and still stay legal in your class?

igor · 11-04-2007, 04:41 PM

Well, in Targa over here almost anything goes. They'll just bump you up a class according to the latest year that a modification can be attributed to. So you'll see a lot of of older cars with newer drivetrains.

That said, we like to keep things period and accordingly, we're in Historic, which is anything up to and including 1964.
So any mods which could have been done up to 1964 keep us in our class.

stylngle2003 · 11-04-2007, 04:52 PM

hmm. so like if (for example) bilsteins we'rent sold until 1965, you couldn't run them?

how does that work for pieces that are home made? welders have been around a long time, i'd think you could argue that someone in '64 could have made chassis braces and stuff for your car

igor · 11-04-2007, 07:18 PM

It's really down to the scrutineers' discretion. If original suspension mounting points are used you probably won't have a problem. We have had people in the past querying our 122 front discs - but that's legit as far as we're concerned.

In terms of bracing etc. I think you could go to town as far as that's concerned. Obviously there's a cage in there, so that's a pretty hefty brace already. I think once you start modifying the chassis significantly they'll probably bump you up.

There are provisions in the rules for composite panels where the originals can't be used due to scarcity. PVs are pretty scarce here so thats certianly something worth looking into. Especially with the pretty much "bolt-on" guards, hood and front panels. There are Healeys in our class with fibreglass bits for example. Carbon fibre PV bits anyone??

hudson · 11-04-2007, 11:51 PM

Well if you're going to go with fibre bits, why don't you widen the track while you're at it? That reminds me, you're not still running the original axle are you?

Other than that lose the SU's.. and consider seeing if you can get away with a 2000+cc in there.

Rockmonton · 11-05-2007, 12:49 AM

i've been slowly working on fibre PV bits, taking forever though, silly compound curves and students time availability.

igor · 11-05-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hudson

Well if you're going to go with fibre bits, why don't you widen the track while you're at it? That reminds me, you're not still running the original axle are you?

Other than that lose the SU's.. and consider seeing if you can get away with a 2000+cc in there.

Well, I dunno about composite bits just yet, but it's in the back of my mind.

Axle has been changed to something much beefier with an LSD. It's great not having to worry about the weak tapered half-shafts any more, though it shows up limitations elsewhere!

Carbs are twin Weber DCOEs, 42s at the moment, but we may go to 45s or 48s at a later stage. We're getting away with a B20 at the moment, as it's essentially a big-bore B18.

stylngle2003 · 11-05-2007, 03:17 AM

what tires do you run? i'm simply suggesting things based on what i saw from that small clip of video. were you just overdriving?

igor · 11-05-2007, 05:53 AM

Yeah, I went in too hot and took the wrong approach for that corner.

Dunlop tyres are mandatory for the event. We ran DZ03Gs for the first time this year, a (barely!) road legal Tarmac compound. Of course I'm only comparing it to a road tyre but the grip is astounding!

Size is 195/50R15 on our 15x5.5 Minilites.

stylngle2003 · 11-05-2007, 12:56 PM

very sweet

they look like the lovechild bewteen the Falken RT615 and Yokohama A048

igor · 11-07-2007, 04:38 PM

Un-watermarked pics coming soon, then I'll post them here once I've figured out some hosting.

In the meantime see if this works. Otherwise go to www.groundsky.co.nz and search Targa 2007 for car no. 54

Tanglefoot · 11-07-2007, 05:24 PM

That link does work - looks like a blast!

igor · 11-11-2007, 04:45 PM

Here's some more info about the car.

1960 PV544 Sport

Currently:

B20
Twin Weber DCOE 42
Built and balanced for 8000rpm
Max revs with current cam: 6100rpm
Approx 130hp at the rear wheels

M40 gearbox
4.11 rear end w/LSD

195/50R15 on 15x5.5 Minilite wheels

Koni "classic" shocks - double dampers at each front wheel.
Currently running original springs all round!

Poly bushings front and rear
IPD front anti roll bar

vV Thinking about a rear bar! Vv

Crazychopstick · 11-11-2007, 06:16 PM

WHOA!!!

That last picture is CRAZY!

GhengisKhan · 11-11-2007, 06:43 PM

So, what would make a tire "illegal?" Because it has too much traction or something. I have a feeling it's a realy obvious answer.... but yeah.

Nice car, I mean REALLY nice, looks like a lot of fun.

igor · 11-11-2007, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghengiskhan

So, what would make a tire "illegal?" Because it has too much traction or something. I have a feeling it's a realy obvious answer.... but yeah.

Nice car, I mean REALLY nice, looks like a lot of fun.

Thanks for the compliments!

Regarding the "legality" of tyres for road use, I don't know the numbers, but it's to do with the percentage of grooved area around the circumference of the tyre. In this case it would be the minimum allowable to maximise the "slick" area.

stylngle2003 · 11-12-2007, 08:47 PM

i think we need some stiffer springs in there, mate

igor · 11-13-2007, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylngle2003

i think we need some stiffer springs in there, mate

Yep. It's on the wishlist. Just something we never got to in time before the event.

Warren · 01-27-2008, 05:34 PM

What's the weight of the car?

10-28-2007, 09:27 PM	#1
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Igor's '60 PV544 Tarmac Rally Car To be fair, it's mine and my Dad's. Just had a fantastic week at the Targa NZ! I'm gonna start putting up some info and pics about the car and it's specs. Will be looking for feedback on how to make it more competitive, so let me know what you guys think. In the meantime, check this. Last edited by igor; 11-11-2007 at 04:17 PM.. Reason: Added pic (same corner as my avatar - 4 years later!)

10-29-2007, 12:19 AM	#2
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Awesome dude!! Sounds like a fun run. Any chance you've got any video's of any section of the drive? __________________ RIP Doug "Mr. Doug" Williams, 4/15/2009 74 144 B20 http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=224983 90 745Ti, AW71L, IPD bars/springs, Koni SA's, JVAB B230FT, Big Valved 531 head, IPD Turbo cam, GT2871R @ 18psi, TLAO chips, E85, NPR, 3.5" DP, 3" DP-back, MSD, TruTrac, Wilwood BBK If you need Superpro bushings PM me or check the current GB, running until 3/31/13 at http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?p=4493644).

10-29-2007, 06:38 AM	#5
aibast Board Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: 59°19'28.19"N 24°33'17.95"E	I wish I could do something like that @ the moment must be happy with some trackdays. All the rallys in here are on gravel. Something similar to Finnish Rallys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtqWvNwKolk __________________ Datsun 620 1.5 NA 1979 - oldtimers rally car Volvo 850R 2.0 T5 1996 - baby R - daily runner Volvo 850 2.5 20V 1992 - one winter beater - sold Volvo 480 Turbo 1994 - everyday track car - sold Volvo 744 TIC Haas tuning 1987 - got fixed and then killed - totaled by a BMW Mazda 626 coupe 1984 - rebuilt from scratch - sold Volvo 142 GL 1973 - got from grandfather - sold to turboES --------------------------------------------------- jag kör en Volvo för att kompensera för min enorma penis

10-29-2007, 03:56 PM	#6
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	a little less understeer and brake lockup and you'd have made that corner just fine! __________________ -Billy 1993 945ti "titebox" (DD) 1985 744GLE (perpetual +t project) 1996 Chevrolet Tahoe Vortec 2WD 1990 Mazda Miata track toy

10-31-2007, 08:26 PM	#7
hudson Board Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada	What can you do and still stay legal in your class? __________________ hudson '68 145 & '71 142 projects

10-29-2007, 02:18 AM	#3
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Yeah, I've got a few tapes to go through. I'll try and pick out some good sections and post them up. An embarrassing clip can be found here!

11-04-2007, 04:41 PM	#8
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Well, in Targa over here almost anything goes. They'll just bump you up a class according to the latest year that a modification can be attributed to. So you'll see a lot of of older cars with newer drivetrains. That said, we like to keep things period and accordingly, we're in Historic, which is anything up to and including 1964. So any mods which could have been done up to 1964 keep us in our class.

11-04-2007, 04:52 PM	#9
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	hmm. so like if (for example) bilsteins we'rent sold until 1965, you couldn't run them? how does that work for pieces that are home made? welders have been around a long time, i'd think you could argue that someone in '64 could have made chassis braces and stuff for your car

11-04-2007, 07:18 PM	#10
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	It's really down to the scrutineers' discretion. If original suspension mounting points are used you probably won't have a problem. We have had people in the past querying our 122 front discs - but that's legit as far as we're concerned. In terms of bracing etc. I think you could go to town as far as that's concerned. Obviously there's a cage in there, so that's a pretty hefty brace already. I think once you start modifying the chassis significantly they'll probably bump you up. There are provisions in the rules for composite panels where the originals can't be used due to scarcity. PVs are pretty scarce here so thats certianly something worth looking into. Especially with the pretty much "bolt-on" guards, hood and front panels. There are Healeys in our class with fibreglass bits for example. Carbon fibre PV bits anyone??

11-04-2007, 11:51 PM	#11
hudson Board Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada	Well if you're going to go with fibre bits, why don't you widen the track while you're at it? That reminds me, you're not still running the original axle are you? Other than that lose the SU's.. and consider seeing if you can get away with a 2000+cc in there.

11-05-2007, 12:49 AM	#12
Rockmonton Board Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Yarbo, Sk	i've been slowly working on fibre PV bits, taking forever though, silly compound curves and students time availability. __________________ 66' 220 'canadian' 67' 220 'swedish built' b21f+t+t5+8.8"+17x9 Cobra Rims 66' 122 'canadian' 59' 544 w/ MkIII Supra front suspension, T-bird Rear suspension and B5244t3 92' 965 DD

11-05-2007, 03:17 AM	#14
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	what tires do you run? i'm simply suggesting things based on what i saw from that small clip of video. were you just overdriving?

11-05-2007, 05:53 AM	#15
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Yeah, I went in too hot and took the wrong approach for that corner. Dunlop tyres are mandatory for the event. We ran DZ03Gs for the first time this year, a (barely!) road legal Tarmac compound. Of course I'm only comparing it to a road tyre but the grip is astounding! Size is 195/50R15 on our 15x5.5 Minilites. Last edited by igor; 11-11-2007 at 04:22 PM..

11-05-2007, 12:56 PM	#16
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	very sweet they look like the lovechild bewteen the Falken RT615 and Yokohama A048

11-07-2007, 04:38 PM	#17
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Pics online now! Un-watermarked pics coming soon, then I'll post them here once I've figured out some hosting. In the meantime see if this works. Otherwise go to www.groundsky.co.nz and search Targa 2007 for car no. 54 Last edited by igor; 01-27-2008 at 05:28 PM..

11-11-2007, 04:45 PM	#19
igor Derby Widow Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Here's some more info about the car. 1960 PV544 Sport Currently: B20 Twin Weber DCOE 42 Built and balanced for 8000rpm Max revs with current cam: 6100rpm Approx 130hp at the rear wheels M40 gearbox 4.11 rear end w/LSD 195/50R15 on 15x5.5 Minilite wheels Koni "classic" shocks - double dampers at each front wheel. Currently running original springs all round! Poly bushings front and rear IPD front anti roll bar vV Thinking about a rear bar! Vv Last edited by igor; 11-11-2007 at 05:06 PM..

11-11-2007, 06:16 PM	#20
Crazychopstick (/// _ - ) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Receiving Transmission from David Bowie nipple antenna	WHOA!!! That last picture is CRAZY! __________________ The Green The Red The Black The White The Bike Volvo parts I'm selling Custom 8mm sparkplug wires!

11-11-2007, 06:43 PM	#21
GhengisKhan Board Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Republic of Texas	So, what would make a tire "illegal?" Because it has too much traction or something. I have a feeling it's a realy obvious answer.... but yeah. Nice car, I mean REALLY nice, looks like a lot of fun.

11-12-2007, 08:47 PM	#23
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	i think we need some stiffer springs in there, mate

01-27-2008, 05:34 PM	#25
Warren Board Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sun of Beach!	What's the weight of the car?

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