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Old 10-28-2007, 10:27 PM   #1
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Default Igor's '60 PV544 Tarmac Rally Car

To be fair, it's mine and my Dad's. Just had a fantastic week at the Targa NZ! I'm gonna start putting up some info and pics about the car and it's specs.

Will be looking for feedback on how to make it more competitive, so let me know what you guys think. In the meantime, check this.


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Old 10-29-2007, 01:19 AM   #2
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Awesome dude!! Sounds like a fun run. Any chance you've got any video's of any section of the drive?
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:18 AM   #3
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Yeah, I've got a few tapes to go through. I'll try and pick out some good sections and post them up.

An embarrassing clip can be found here!
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:06 AM   #4
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I remember reading about your car (It is the picture in your avatar, right?) a few years back and falling in love with the PV444/544 series.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:38 AM   #5
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I wish I could do something like that @ the moment must be happy with some trackdays. All the rallys in here are on gravel. Something similar to Finnish Rallys
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:56 PM   #6
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a little less understeer and brake lockup and you'd have made that corner just fine!
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:26 PM   #7
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What can you do and still stay legal in your class?
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:41 PM   #8
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Well, in Targa over here almost anything goes. They'll just bump you up a class according to the latest year that a modification can be attributed to. So you'll see a lot of of older cars with newer drivetrains.

That said, we like to keep things period and accordingly, we're in Historic, which is anything up to and including 1964.
So any mods which could have been done up to 1964 keep us in our class.
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:52 PM   #9
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hmm. so like if (for example) bilsteins we'rent sold until 1965, you couldn't run them?

how does that work for pieces that are home made? welders have been around a long time, i'd think you could argue that someone in '64 could have made chassis braces and stuff for your car
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:18 PM   #10
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It's really down to the scrutineers' discretion. If original suspension mounting points are used you probably won't have a problem. We have had people in the past querying our 122 front discs - but that's legit as far as we're concerned.

In terms of bracing etc. I think you could go to town as far as that's concerned. Obviously there's a cage in there, so that's a pretty hefty brace already. I think once you start modifying the chassis significantly they'll probably bump you up.

There are provisions in the rules for composite panels where the originals can't be used due to scarcity. PVs are pretty scarce here so thats certianly something worth looking into. Especially with the pretty much "bolt-on" guards, hood and front panels. There are Healeys in our class with fibreglass bits for example. Carbon fibre PV bits anyone??
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Old 11-04-2007, 11:51 PM   #11
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Well if you're going to go with fibre bits, why don't you widen the track while you're at it? That reminds me, you're not still running the original axle are you?

Other than that lose the SU's.. and consider seeing if you can get away with a 2000+cc in there.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:49 AM   #12
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i've been slowly working on fibre PV bits, taking forever though, silly compound curves and students time availability.
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:05 AM   #13
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Well if you're going to go with fibre bits, why don't you widen the track while you're at it? That reminds me, you're not still running the original axle are you?

Other than that lose the SU's.. and consider seeing if you can get away with a 2000+cc in there.
Well, I dunno about composite bits just yet, but it's in the back of my mind.

Axle has been changed to something much beefier with an LSD. It's great not having to worry about the weak tapered half-shafts any more, though it shows up limitations elsewhere!



Carbs are twin Weber DCOEs, 42s at the moment, but we may go to 45s or 48s at a later stage. We're getting away with a B20 at the moment, as it's essentially a big-bore B18.

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Old 11-05-2007, 03:17 AM   #14
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what tires do you run? i'm simply suggesting things based on what i saw from that small clip of video. were you just overdriving?
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:53 AM   #15
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Yeah, I went in too hot and took the wrong approach for that corner.

Dunlop tyres are mandatory for the event. We ran DZ03Gs for the first time this year, a (barely!) road legal Tarmac compound. Of course I'm only comparing it to a road tyre but the grip is astounding!



Size is 195/50R15 on our 15x5.5 Minilites.

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Old 11-05-2007, 12:56 PM   #16
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very sweet

they look like the lovechild bewteen the Falken RT615 and Yokohama A048

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Old 11-07-2007, 04:38 PM   #17
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Default Pics online now!

Un-watermarked pics coming soon, then I'll post them here once I've figured out some hosting.

In the meantime see if this works. Otherwise go to www.groundsky.co.nz and search Targa 2007 for car no. 54

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Old 11-07-2007, 05:24 PM   #18
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That link does work - looks like a blast!
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:45 PM   #19
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Here's some more info about the car.

1960 PV544 Sport

Currently:

B20
Twin Weber DCOE 42
Built and balanced for 8000rpm
Max revs with current cam: 6100rpm
Approx 130hp at the rear wheels

M40 gearbox
4.11 rear end w/LSD

195/50R15 on 15x5.5 Minilite wheels

Koni "classic" shocks - double dampers at each front wheel.
Currently running original springs all round!

Poly bushings front and rear
IPD front anti roll bar

vV Thinking about a rear bar! Vv


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Old 11-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #20
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WHOA!!!

That last picture is CRAZY!
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:43 PM   #21
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So, what would make a tire "illegal?" Because it has too much traction or something. I have a feeling it's a realy obvious answer.... but yeah.

Nice car, I mean REALLY nice, looks like a lot of fun.
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Old 11-11-2007, 09:35 PM   #22
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So, what would make a tire "illegal?" Because it has too much traction or something. I have a feeling it's a realy obvious answer.... but yeah.

Nice car, I mean REALLY nice, looks like a lot of fun.
Thanks for the compliments!

Regarding the "legality" of tyres for road use, I don't know the numbers, but it's to do with the percentage of grooved area around the circumference of the tyre. In this case it would be the minimum allowable to maximise the "slick" area.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:47 PM   #23
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i think we need some stiffer springs in there, mate
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:22 AM   #24
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i think we need some stiffer springs in there, mate
Yep. It's on the wishlist. Just something we never got to in time before the event.
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:34 PM   #25
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What's the weight of the car?
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