Gary's Daily Driver B230FT buildup

gsellstr · 02-18-2008, 12:27 AM

Well, first project thread I've made so far. I always seem to forget.

Engine management will stay LH2.4 for now, plan is for around 16psi from the 15G until I get the cash for a GT2871RS.

IT'S DONE!!!

Still waiting to fire it up tomorrow, and I'm probably cursing myself for saying it's done, but so far everything has gone together rather smoothly. Here's the details...

95 B230FD squirter block, decked .017 to leave pistons .004 above deck
Mildly ported 531 head, stainless 37.5 exhaust valves, trimmed .006 for scratch removal
IPD Turbo cam
JVAB Sooper Bitchin' pistons and rods, spec'd for 9:1
.036 Cometic MLS
ARP head studs
Unorthodox Racing UD pulley
SAM HD mounts and early 7-series mounts to run non-hydraulic mounts (yay, no more ratchet strap)
Melling M181 oil pump
Crank Scraper from Kevin Johnson
Crank, rods, and pistons balanced to 0.00 variance
-10AN oil return line
-4AN oil feed line from front of block (squirter passage plug removed)
Block-mount dizzy
Taylor wires from The Aspirator
Brand new knock, ECT, CKP, and gauge temp sensors
Non-CS, with EGR (in case I need it for smog) intake
And last but not least something I wasn't aware was available...an accy mount bracket with no bushings for the compressor!

And now for the pic's....

oneflat83 · 02-27-2008, 03:36 PM

sounds super bitchn gary. I started a thread like this once and it got deleted due to lack of picts and progress i guess. my flatnose. i wont start a project thead on that car now due to that.

maxman142001 · 03-11-2008, 03:03 PM

any updates gary?

gsellstr · 03-11-2008, 05:02 PM

Not much. Funds are temporarily diverted to life.

I have the crank back (only polished, didn't need to be ground), pistons, rods, and crank are all balanced now. Parts have been aquired for the oil return going to the pan (NA block, don't like JB-welding steel to cast iron for an AN fitting). My parts collection is growing, and hopefully the next paycheck will be enough to get the last of the parts. The check or two after that will be the machine shop check, at which point the assembly can begin.

In the meantime I've also been fiddling with the car still, trying to get the EMS happy for the new motor. I MAY have made progress today.

Interestingly enough, looking at the rods, they were able to balance them a little as well. Guess having a COMPETENT machine shop with an old-timer who knows how to balance stuff is a good thing??

I also learned there's several different ways to polish a crank, grind a crank, different finishes for the bearing surfaces, etc.

And I've even got a very experienced engine builder lined up when I get everything together to help with the assembly. I love having friends in the right places.
And yes, pic's WILL be taken along the way.

gsellstr · 05-01-2008, 01:34 AM

Ok, not a whole lot going due to 'other' projects, but here's the pics during teardown...

holyoly253 · 05-01-2008, 11:57 AM

I am doing a build quite similar to this! However, I don't have a squirter block, forged internals, or a 531 haha. But its still quite similar! Lookin good, your 144 looks awesome with the Polaris.

Damn: This is Jordan on my buddies computa'

gsellstr · 05-01-2008, 01:03 PM

Thanks!

gsellstr · 11-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Houston....we have a shortblock!! Block is done, crank is in, pistons and rods are balanced dead nuts even. 531 is done, given 100% approval by a REPUTABLE shop. Pic's are on the camera, I'm too lazy to put them up here. ETA of next weekend for the install in the car.

igor · 11-23-2008, 05:21 PM

Good news! I'm hoping for pics someday.

gsellstr · 11-25-2008, 12:23 PM

Pic's to come along maybe this weekend or so. It's coming along quite nicely though. :-)

maxman142001 · 11-25-2008, 12:37 PM

awesome! cant wait to see the new heart for the wagon

gsellstr · 11-30-2008, 01:08 PM

Pic's perhaps later today. It's in the car, gotta get the ancillary stuff bolted up, make sure it primes, and give it a test-fire.

It's a beautiful thing....a redblock, that's red, and not covered in grime!!

JW240 · 11-30-2008, 02:08 PM

nice! Good to see another sweet redblock

oldyeller · 11-30-2008, 05:35 PM

ditto, you have my approval... which I know means jack spit

stop procrastinating and do those pics this afternoon... please

stylngle2003 · 11-30-2008, 08:25 PM

awesome gary!

this is pretty much exactly what i'm going to start in the next couple of weeks, so you can bet i'm gonna have to ask you some questions

gsellstr · 12-01-2008, 12:51 AM

Yeah yeah, maybe I'll tempt you with a pic or two. It's in, wired, waiting for belts tomorrow, plug wires, remounting the coil, and adding coolant. Primed it today and with a dewalt running around 300-350rpm on the aux. shaft (equiv to 600-700 rpm) it had 55psi, and maintained over 10psi for a minute after stopping the pump. Oil pressure should be good!

Planned first firing up tomorrow after work!

Kevin Johnson · 12-03-2008, 04:33 PM

Gary sent me a note about the progress. I will take this opportunity to pass along some more info on oem tricks for durability.

The Honda B18C (GSR -- girdle type) and B16 each run twenty oil squirters. Sounds hard to believe but they are there. Four get pulled off a galley and the other sixteen are slots on the sides of the rods. BMW does this too but only two per rod.

If you are running a lot of boost this is a good safe way to get the heat out of the pistons.

Here's a pic:

klr142 · 12-04-2008, 02:11 AM

Mmmm, too sexy. Get it in and running, quick!

gsellstr · 12-04-2008, 11:22 AM

Oh it's in, and waiting for me to have MAYBE 2 hours to get it running. But alas the cold season is here and I've been in no shape to spend a few hours in the cold and dampness to get it running. Perhaps tonight as I'm feeling SLIGHTLY better than yesterday (plus I can go more than 3 minutes without blowing my nose so far today). Perhaps I'll get video of the initial startup.

shaved240 · 12-04-2008, 01:41 PM

nice build.

what power are you looking to make? you should go with a gt3070r instead of that dinky gt28r

. but if your looking for quick boost than that'd be the turbo to get

gsellstr · 12-04-2008, 03:01 PM

It's STRICTLY gonna be my street car/DD, which is why I'm sticking with the 2871. If I were going for all out insanity I'd be looking to grab a 3076 or so. Plus with keeping it on LH2.4 for now, I won't have the windability needed to get into the fun range for something larger. Still, a 2871 should make this thing borderline silly for a commute car.

shaved240 · 12-04-2008, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsellstr

It's STRICTLY gonna be my street car/DD, which is why I'm sticking with the 2871. If I were going for all out insanity I'd be looking to grab a 3076 or so. Plus with keeping it on LH2.4 for now, I won't have the windability needed to get into the fun range for something larger. Still, a 2871 should make this thing borderline silly for a commute car.

should be fun. post some videos when its running

gsellstr · 12-05-2008, 01:37 AM

IT'S ALIVE!!!

Fired up first try, cranked over 5-6 times and lit right off like it should! ECU's still learning so the idle's a little funky, but otherwise it went off seamlessly (aside from 1 connector on the temp sensor for the gauge not contacting, so no temp gauge for the first 2 minutes. Otherwise it has a MUCH different sound, much deeper, throatier, rev's FAR faster, vacuum at idle is FAR more consistent (18" steady at 1000rpm vs the flutter it had before). Not a whole lot else to say at this point. Oh, and the squealing at startup was the alt. belt...surface rust on the Denso, new belt, the normal stuff. The video should be uploaded in a few hours (135mb and only 315k upload speed).

klr142 · 12-05-2008, 01:46 AM

Mmmmmm, yummy. Jealous of fresh/light bottom end.

gsellstr · 12-05-2008, 01:58 AM

I just wanna drive it!!

Only oddity is the oil pressure. 30psi at 900rpm hot, 50-ish at 3k hot. Seems like there should be more of a difference. Granted this is with a used sender though, but I was getting 55psi on a mechanical gauge when I primed the system at around a 700rpm-equivalent.

02-18-2008, 12:27 AM	#1
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Gary's Daily Driver B230FT buildup Well, first project thread I've made so far. I always seem to forget. Engine management will stay LH2.4 for now, plan is for around 16psi from the 15G until I get the cash for a GT2871RS. IT'S DONE!!! Still waiting to fire it up tomorrow, and I'm probably cursing myself for saying it's done, but so far everything has gone together rather smoothly. Here's the details... 95 B230FD squirter block, decked .017 to leave pistons .004 above deck Mildly ported 531 head, stainless 37.5 exhaust valves, trimmed .006 for scratch removal IPD Turbo cam JVAB Sooper Bitchin' pistons and rods, spec'd for 9:1 .036 Cometic MLS ARP head studs Unorthodox Racing UD pulley SAM HD mounts and early 7-series mounts to run non-hydraulic mounts (yay, no more ratchet strap) Melling M181 oil pump Crank Scraper from Kevin Johnson Crank, rods, and pistons balanced to 0.00 variance -10AN oil return line -4AN oil feed line from front of block (squirter passage plug removed) Block-mount dizzy Taylor wires from The Aspirator Brand new knock, ECT, CKP, and gauge temp sensors Non-CS, with EGR (in case I need it for smog) intake And last but not least something I wasn't aware was available...an accy mount bracket with no bushings for the compressor! And now for the pic's.... __________________ RIP Doug Williams "Mr. Doug" 4/15/2009 Pete Fluitman "fivehundred" 7/14/2013 Mick Starkey "TrickMick" 1/10/14 Mark Baldwin "blue850t5" 7/19/18 Nick Fengler "fengler" 8/6/18 Thomas Fritz "stealthfti" 10/11/18 Bob Davi "bob davi" 10/2021 74 144 B20 http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=224983 90 745Ti http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=334698 If you need Superpro bushings PM me for price and availability! Last edited by gsellstr; 12-05-2008 at 02:27 AM..

05-01-2008, 11:57 AM	#6
holyoly253 Board Member Join Date: Jun 2006	I am doing a build quite similar to this! However, I don't have a squirter block, forged internals, or a 531 haha. But its still quite similar! Lookin good, your 144 looks awesome with the Polaris. Damn: This is Jordan on my buddies computa' __________________ Jordan sucks

11-30-2008, 08:25 PM	#15
stylngle2003 Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Up, Two Down	awesome gary! this is pretty much exactly what i'm going to start in the next couple of weeks, so you can bet i'm gonna have to ask you some questions __________________ -Billy Volvoless for the first time since 1990... 2002 Toyota Avalon XLS (comfy gradma car) 1996 Chevrolet Tahoe LS 2WD (hauls ass) 1990 Mazda Miata (track toy)

12-04-2008, 02:11 AM	#18
klr142 Turbo, what? Join Date: May 2004 Location: OR	Mmmm, too sexy. Get it in and running, quick! __________________ Kyle - NLMGG: '91 244 NA Toy - General Leif: '71 142 Endurance Racecar - The General's Facebook - Oregon Volvo Tuners - Died - '14 S60 T5 Sport - '06 Elantr-on

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02-27-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
oneflat83 AKA Out of Context Join Date: Nov 2002	sounds super bitchn gary. I started a thread like this once and it got deleted due to lack of picts and progress i guess. my flatnose. i wont start a project thead on that car now due to that.

03-11-2008, 03:03 PM	#3
maxman142001 I like turtles Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	any updates gary?

03-11-2008, 05:02 PM	#4
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Not much. Funds are temporarily diverted to life. I have the crank back (only polished, didn't need to be ground), pistons, rods, and crank are all balanced now. Parts have been aquired for the oil return going to the pan (NA block, don't like JB-welding steel to cast iron for an AN fitting). My parts collection is growing, and hopefully the next paycheck will be enough to get the last of the parts. The check or two after that will be the machine shop check, at which point the assembly can begin. In the meantime I've also been fiddling with the car still, trying to get the EMS happy for the new motor. I MAY have made progress today. Interestingly enough, looking at the rods, they were able to balance them a little as well. Guess having a COMPETENT machine shop with an old-timer who knows how to balance stuff is a good thing?? I also learned there's several different ways to polish a crank, grind a crank, different finishes for the bearing surfaces, etc. And I've even got a very experienced engine builder lined up when I get everything together to help with the assembly. I love having friends in the right places. And yes, pic's WILL be taken along the way.

05-01-2008, 01:34 AM	#5
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Ok, not a whole lot going due to 'other' projects, but here's the pics during teardown...

05-01-2008, 01:03 PM	#7
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Thanks!

11-23-2008, 04:47 PM	#8
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Houston....we have a shortblock!! Block is done, crank is in, pistons and rods are balanced dead nuts even. 531 is done, given 100% approval by a REPUTABLE shop. Pic's are on the camera, I'm too lazy to put them up here. ETA of next weekend for the install in the car.

11-23-2008, 05:21 PM	#9
igor Fika? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand	Good news! I'm hoping for pics someday.

11-25-2008, 12:23 PM	#10
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Pic's to come along maybe this weekend or so. It's coming along quite nicely though. :-)

11-25-2008, 12:37 PM	#11
maxman142001 I like turtles Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	awesome! cant wait to see the new heart for the wagon

11-30-2008, 01:08 PM	#12
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Pic's perhaps later today. It's in the car, gotta get the ancillary stuff bolted up, make sure it primes, and give it a test-fire. It's a beautiful thing....a redblock, that's red, and not covered in grime!!

11-30-2008, 05:35 PM	#14
oldyeller Board Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midland TX "Help keep Midland dry and light brown"	ditto, you have my approval... which I know means jack spit stop procrastinating and do those pics this afternoon... please

12-01-2008, 12:51 AM	#16
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Yeah yeah, maybe I'll tempt you with a pic or two. It's in, wired, waiting for belts tomorrow, plug wires, remounting the coil, and adding coolant. Primed it today and with a dewalt running around 300-350rpm on the aux. shaft (equiv to 600-700 rpm) it had 55psi, and maintained over 10psi for a minute after stopping the pump. Oil pressure should be good! Planned first firing up tomorrow after work!

12-03-2008, 04:33 PM	#17
Kevin Johnson Board Member Join Date: Nov 2004	Gary sent me a note about the progress. I will take this opportunity to pass along some more info on oem tricks for durability. The Honda B18C (GSR -- girdle type) and B16 each run twenty oil squirters. Sounds hard to believe but they are there. Four get pulled off a galley and the other sixteen are slots on the sides of the rods. BMW does this too but only two per rod. If you are running a lot of boost this is a good safe way to get the heat out of the pistons. Here's a pic:

12-04-2008, 11:22 AM	#19
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	Oh it's in, and waiting for me to have MAYBE 2 hours to get it running. But alas the cold season is here and I've been in no shape to spend a few hours in the cold and dampness to get it running. Perhaps tonight as I'm feeling SLIGHTLY better than yesterday (plus I can go more than 3 minutes without blowing my nose so far today). Perhaps I'll get video of the initial startup.

12-04-2008, 03:01 PM	#21
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	It's STRICTLY gonna be my street car/DD, which is why I'm sticking with the 2871. If I were going for all out insanity I'd be looking to grab a 3076 or so. Plus with keeping it on LH2.4 for now, I won't have the windability needed to get into the fun range for something larger. Still, a 2871 should make this thing borderline silly for a commute car.

12-05-2008, 01:37 AM	#23
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	IT'S ALIVE!!! Fired up first try, cranked over 5-6 times and lit right off like it should! ECU's still learning so the idle's a little funky, but otherwise it went off seamlessly (aside from 1 connector on the temp sensor for the gauge not contacting, so no temp gauge for the first 2 minutes. Otherwise it has a MUCH different sound, much deeper, throatier, rev's FAR faster, vacuum at idle is FAR more consistent (18" steady at 1000rpm vs the flutter it had before). Not a whole lot else to say at this point. Oh, and the squealing at startup was the alt. belt...surface rust on the Denso, new belt, the normal stuff. The video should be uploaded in a few hours (135mb and only 315k upload speed).

12-05-2008, 01:46 AM	#24
klr142 Turbo, what? Join Date: May 2004 Location: OR	Mmmmmm, yummy. Jealous of fresh/light bottom end.

12-05-2008, 01:58 AM	#25
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere in a northern California smog bank	I just wanna drive it!! Only oddity is the oil pressure. 30psi at 900rpm hot, 50-ish at 3k hot. Seems like there should be more of a difference. Granted this is with a used sender though, but I was getting 55psi on a mechanical gauge when I primed the system at around a 700rpm-equivalent.