Is This A Good Idea?

[BawlSoup]

Hello everyone! I'm a young mechanic from New Jersey. I have a project going and I want to see if anyone has done what I'm about to do. (If so, could you give some advice?) I have 2 Volvos that are out of commission.
I have a dark blue Volvo S90 and I stopped driving it because my B6304 finally quit on me. (I've pulled the head and it is warped like crazy. I have since junked the aluminum engine and sold the transmission, with very good monetary comeback.) I'm going to take the B230FT and the 5 Speed from my sister's old 940 Turbo and place them into the S90 body.
I would have rather used the 940 body (it being lighter) but the rear end was crushed in an accident on Christmas day. The S90 body is heavier but overall the same(more luxurious). Right now, the B230FT I am going to use is a SOHC. I know that there are DOHC versions.
Anyways, I'm going to put the B230FT and Transmission into my S90. It seems like a straight drop-in. The OBD-2 is kinda' buggin' me since my sister's car didn't have that. Will I need it? Also, I have a MS so I'm good to go in that department.

[DrvSfly]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

The OBD-2 is kinda' buggin' me since my sister's car didn't have that. Will I need it? Also, I have a MS so I'm good to go in that department.

You answered your own question.

I have begun to not like the aluminum blocks because I have seen a few crack. (I know, I'm gonna hear how good they are). I would dig a b230ft s90. But you are going to have to make it awesome! And MS is a good way to do that.

[BawlSoup]

Thanks! Well, the motor I plucked from her car only has 91,023 miles on it with no leaks and it runs smooth. The transmission is the same way. I don't want to overdo myself and my plans are to make it put out at least 350hp. My mother is a mechanic as well and she told me that Redblocks are built to last. For a while, I was searching for a good B6304 but since I couldn't find one for a decent price, I decided to use the B230FT. She also says that the transmission holds up very well.

[MrBill]

In Maryland, the emissions laws have you plug in a reader to the OBD2 port and if it's happy the inspection station is happy.

So..how do you plan on getting around that relatively large hurdle?
If the car has been totaled, do the awesome/illegal thing and swap vin numbers

[quinn_volvo]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

My mother is a mechanic

Is she single?

Rebuild the B6304.

[Mueller]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

Hello everyone! I'm a young mechanic from New Jersey. I have a project going and I want to see if anyone has done what I'm about to do. (If so, could you give some advice?) I have 2 Volvos that are out of commission.
I have a dark blue Volvo S90 and I stopped driving it because my B6304 finally quit on me. (I've pulled the head and it is warped like crazy. I have since junked the aluminum engine and sold the transmission, with very good monetary comeback.) I'm going to take the B230FT and the 5 Speed from my sister's old 940 Turbo and place them into the S90 body.
I would have rather used the 940 body (it being lighter) but the rear end was crushed in an accident on Christmas day. The S90 body is heavier but overall the same(more luxurious). Right now, the B230FT I am going to use is a SOHC. I know that there are DOHC versions.
Anyways, I'm going to put the B230FT and Transmission into my S90. It seems like a straight drop-in. The OBD-2 is kinda' buggin' me since my sister's car didn't have that. Will I need it? Also, I have a MS so I'm good to go in that department.

I believe that swap is more common than you;d think....as for the OBD-II, not needed for that motor, however, the real question is it needed for that car to pass any type of state inspection???

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by MrBill

In Maryland, the emissions laws have you plug in a reader to the OBD2 port and if it's happy the inspection station is happy.

So..how do you plan on getting around that relatively large hurdle?
If the car has been totaled, do the awesome/illegal thing and swap vin numbers

Well, my S90 has the OBD-2 connector. I couldn't I just wire that to the MS? I don't think I'd have a problem doing that. My main concern is getting getting everything together and fitting everything correctly.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by quinn_volvo

Is she single?

Rebuild the B6304.

Yes, she is single and I can't rebuild the B6304, it's already gone.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by Mueller

I believe that swap is more common than you;d think....as for the OBD-II, not needed for that motor, however, the real question is it needed for that car to pass any type of state inspection???

It is. That is why I have to keep it. But it won't interfere with anything I plan to change and add.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by Mueller

I believe that swap is more common than you;d think....as for the OBD-II, not needed for that motor, however, the real question is it needed for that car to pass any type of state inspection???

Could you direct me to a thread/webpage that shows a B230FT S90? I'd like to study it.

[DaButcher]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

Could you direct me to a thread/webpage that shows a B230FT S90? I'd like to study it.

The S90 is no different than the 1995 960, which again is somewhat similar to the 940/740.
Eg. enginemounts, driveshaft, etc. should be "Plug and play", the only issue is your wiring, though this is not a very hard task on the lh2.4

It should bolt into the enginebay and you can use a redblock m90 (preferrably 1998 model), or weld up the synchro on the older ones.

Dont use an m47

[MrBill]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

Well, my S90 has the OBD-2 connector. I couldn't I just wire that to the MS? I don't think I'd have a problem doing that. My main concern is getting getting everything together and fitting everything correctly.

the port actually sends data to the scanner saying "everything's okay in here"

megasquirt is unable to replicate this communication

[BawlSoup]

Well then I won't touch the OBD-2 and only wire in the MS. That should def NOT be a prob. That way, the OBD can continue to send data and the MS can do it's management.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by DaButcher

The S90 is no different than the 1995 960, which again is somewhat similar to the 940/740.
Eg. enginemounts, driveshaft, etc. should be "Plug and play", the only issue is your wiring, though this is not a very hard task on the lh2.4

It should bolt into the enginebay and you can use a redblock m90 (preferrably 1998 model), or weld up the synchro on the older ones.

Dont use an m47

Aren't the M90s only available in Euro? Also, I looked at a guy's dyno sheet from online and he put out almost 190hp stock with the same engine as the I have. Regarding the traction control, I won't have to change a thing. Like you said, I can pretty much bolt everything up.

[MrBill]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

Well then I won't touch the OBD-2 and only wire in the MS. That should def NOT be a prob. That way, the OBD can continue to send data and the MS can do it's management.

no.
The OBD port is actually connected to the original ECU. I'm not sure what europe had, but if there was an OBD2 redblock, you need to find that ECU if you don't have friends at the emissions station.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by MrBill

no.
The OBD port is actually connected to the original ECU. I'm not sure what europe had, but if there was an OBD2 redblock, you need to find that ECU if you don't have friends at the emissions station.

I'll find it for sure then. There has to be B230FTs built after 1996 so all I have to do is grab the wiring and get to work.

[BawlSoup]

Volvo continued the B230FT after 1996 but only in Europe. Now I have to order from Europe to get the proper wiring (IF I even need it.)

[njbrickwithboost]

Hey where in Jersey are you located...There are a few of us in the area that would totally love a mini-meet.....that being said

I found a few things I have questions about...

1-the 940's never came 5-speed from the factory in the US, so where is the trans coming from?
2-In order to Swap in the manual trans, you may need to custom fab something for the pedals since that body never had a manual trans
3-Would you really want an S90's suspension? Unless I'm mistaken(Chris Wii, feel free to chime in), there arent any really direct bolt on suspension options for that car...
4-Since its an S90, Im assuming it a 98? I have a 98 V70 XC and the last few times I've taken it through inspection, they havent even sniffed it...or ever hook up an OBD II probe...so If it is new enough, they wont do it...but then again, I took in my 89 Jetta GLI 16V through a NJ inspection after an accident, and the engine bay looked a mess, wires hanging everywhere, and they only failed me for a faulty turn signal

[MikeHardy]

You could order from europe but it won't help you. Volvo stopped sending the 940 to the US because the US mandated obd2 for the 96 model year onwards, volvo didn't what the expense of that development upgrade on a model they would be phasing out soon hence cutting the 940 near end of 95. They carried on selling them here as is. There are no obd2 b230ft all here all the way up to when the stopped making them in 98 are version 1

[MikeHardy]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

Aren't the M90s only available in Euro?

better to say outside the US in places that favoured manual boxes

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by njbrickwithboost

Hey where in Jersey are you located...There are a few of us in the area that would totally love a mini-meet.....that being said

I found a few things I have questions about...

1-the 940's never came 5-speed from the factory in the US, so where is the trans coming from?
2-In order to Swap in the manual trans, you may need to custom fab something for the pedals since that body never had a manual trans
3-Would you really want an S90's suspension? Unless I'm mistaken(Chris Wii, feel free to chime in), there arent any really direct bolt on suspension options for that car...
4-Since its an S90, Im assuming it a 98? I have a 98 V70 XC and the last few times I've taken it through inspection, they havent even sniffed it...or ever hook up an OBD II probe...so If it is new enough, they wont do it...but then again, I took in my 89 Jetta GLI 16V through a NJ inspection after an accident, and the engine bay looked a mess, wires hanging everywhere, and they only failed me for a faulty turn signal

1. My sister wanted a 5 Speed so my mother installed it. I don't know where she got it from. I'll ask though.
2. I def want that 5 speed in my S90. I'll study the 940 and cut out what needs to be gone or modified for my transmission to fit.
3. My S90 has had it's suspension brought up to date since I got the car when I was 15.
4. Really? Then I'm going to go ahead and get rid of the old ECU and OBD-2. I don't need them.

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by ravennexus

You could order from europe but it won't help you. Volvo stopped sending the 940 to the US because the US mandated obd2 for the 96 model year onwards, volvo didn't what the expense of that development upgrade on a model they would be phasing out soon hence cutting the 940 near end of 95. They carried on selling them here as is. There are no obd2 b230ft all here all the way up to when the stopped making them in 98 are version 1

My S90 is a 1998. I effin' LOVE this car! I want to give it the greatest honor that I can for sticking with me this far! So what steps do I take to pass emissions if I'm NOT going to be using OBD-2?

[menace]

Buy a sticker from someone who owns a shop is your best bet

[BawlSoup]

Originally Posted by menace

Buy a sticker from someone who owns a shop is your best bet

I don't know anybody. Plus, don't they check for bad gases and things like that?

[MikeHardy]

Originally Posted by BawlSoup

My S90 is a 1998.

yes but we were taking redblocks which is 940. Oh the last rear wheel drive volvo to be made was a 940 turbo (obd1).
Have a look at the rules on engine swaps in your state. Over here in the uk emissions are tested based on what ever is older, engine or car