Cameron's IPD/RSI 16v Turbo 240 Wagon Project - Page 101

nathaninwa · 01-21-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WeezilUSA

If you haven't broken the G80... I might be interested in tossing one in my 940.

Well talk....i really dont beat on my stuff like that! Id end up selling the whole thing to ya, prolly for a great price.

Cameron · 01-21-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sdturbo

...how do you guys get in this deep and not spend minimal time/money on a g80?

In my case it's that I was way more focused on the engine/trans build and install. Diff was irrelevant the whole time the car didn't have a running engine. Remember this motor still only has about 1000 miles on it. Open diff is annoying, yeah, but it wasn't on top of the priority list this summer. I only really started driving it at the end of May and quit driving it mostly for the winter in October. Spent most of that time just enjoying driving again and tinkering on other stuff.

Locker is going into the new diff and will be installed in the next few weeks. This spring should see the more immediate need for it too as the tune gets better and I start running more boost.

Jerd · 01-21-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sdturbo

Wait you too? The open diff was annoying when my car was NA 8v, how do you guys get in this deep and not spend minimal time/money on a g80?

I could argue that suspension, weight distribution, and tire size could effect how much you encounter open differential problems. But then again i have not witnessed the so called massive improvements of an lsd/locker over an open dif.

My excuse is that i want an lsd and the price is more than i can afford. lol

550 · 01-22-2011, 11:20 AM

For me, I'm not too worried about the diff at this point either. Because it is something that can be easily done. (My situation is a little different because I'm renting a building for the sole purpose of getting the 16vt going.) I can do a diff swap in the summer in the driveway with out too much issue.

ryanfay · 01-23-2011, 10:43 PM

Sorry to jump in so late but one quickie: I seem to remember that you installed a spec clutch. I also recall hearing mixed opinions on these things from other dudes. My question is are they grippier than sachs clutches? They are atleast double the price, and for that hella high price, do they live up to the manufacturers claims?

Cameron · 01-23-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanfay

...do they live up to the manufacturers claims?

That remains to be seen.

ryanfay · 01-23-2011, 11:06 PM

In your opinion, would it be better to stick with sachs or look elsewhere?
Im just hesatant to drop that much money on something that seems like a gamble.

Cameron · 01-23-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanfay

In your opinion, would it be better to stick with sachs or look elsewhere?
Im just hesatant to drop that much money on something that seems like a gamble.

Wholly dependent on your power goals.

ryanfay · 01-23-2011, 11:44 PM

Nothing a m46 couldnt handle. Not trying to go all in as shes my daily ride, just dont like the softness of the sachs.
Thats really my only complaint - no slippage under minimal loads, but its noticeable on steep hills with lots of crap (or people) in the back, but minor.
The majority of material posted seems to poo poo the specs.
However, there isnt really a universal consensus on their performance, but enough negativity to make me worry.
Did you buy one of the wilder 3 or 3+ specs? What was the major drawback? I dont mean to pry, just trying to understand what exactly is out there.

doucheNozzle · 01-23-2011, 11:47 PM

If you're running a stock M46 I wouldn't put anything stronger in than a stock clutch.

linuxman51 · 01-23-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sdturbo

Oh boo, at least try to break the dana 30 first.

**** that's not a challenge. manual trans and a decent tire, it'll give up the ghost

nathaninwa · 01-24-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by linuxman51

**** that's not a challenge. manual trans and a decent tire, it'll give up the ghost

255's and a side step in second with the dual diaphram clutch.....ought to be enough to shear an axle!

linuxman51 · 01-24-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathaninwa

255's and a side step in second with the dual diaphram clutch.....ought to be enough to shear an axle!

nah on a stock open dana 30 it'll just blow the spiders all over the place. you're not having fun til you smash the middle out of a g80 ;)

ryanfay · 01-24-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyd

If you're running a stock M46 I wouldn't put anything stronger in than a stock clutch.

What upgrades can be done on a m46?

linuxman51 · 01-24-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanfay

What upgrades can be done on a m46?

the 'trashcan' mod is the best.

nathaninwa · 01-24-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by linuxman51

nah on a stock open dana 30 it'll just blow the spiders all over the place. you're not having fun til you smash the middle out of a g80 ;)

HEHE, Im so torn...I can recoupe some cost in selling my G80, or whole rearend, but it would be kinda neat to have to give me a reason to install the 8.8........

doucheNozzle · 01-24-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanfay

What upgrades can be done on a m46?

The T5 mod.

Quote:

Originally Posted by linuxman51

the 'trashcan' mod is the best.

That's step one of the T5 mod.

Wiley · 01-28-2011, 04:01 AM

I have been thinking of what color to paint my block. Your idea is the most bomb thing i have seen so far. I hope you don't mind me doing the same to mine. By the way, GREAT looking 245!

cookiemonster131 · 02-26-2011, 10:41 PM

Come on Cameron I still check this daily!

klr142 · 02-26-2011, 11:27 PM

DRIVE IT! THE RAIN IS NOT OUT THERE! Pussy.

Cameron · 02-27-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cookiemonster131

Come on Cameron I still check this daily!

Quote:

Originally Posted by klr142

DRIVE IT! THE RAIN IS NOT OUT THERE! Pussy.

It'll come out of hiding soon.

I've been using up most my 'project' time lately on house projects. So not much new on the car but my kitchen is lookin' bitchin'!

I did get the rad catch can that Nathan made for me installed and picked up a nice set of e-codes from the Netherlands that I'm debating putting on the wagon. I think I like the rounds on there too much though so the e-codes might be reserved for a different project I've been prepping a few other things for too

Oh, and we made another cheesy video about the project too for IPD customers.

Tom Wiley · 02-27-2011, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameron

It'll come out of hiding soon.

I've been using up most my 'project' time lately on house projects. So not much new on the car but my kitchen is lookin' bitchin'!

I did get the rad catch can that Nathan made for me installed and picked up a nice set of e-codes from the Netherlands that I'm debating putting on the wagon. I think I like the rounds on there too much though so the e-codes might be reserved for a different project I've been prepping a few other things for too

Oh, and we made another cheesy video about the project too for IPD customers.

You planned that rhyme.

pwschuh · 02-27-2011, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameron

Oh, and we made another cheesy video about the project too for IPD customers.

Said cheese has been viewed

Cameron · 03-07-2011, 01:39 PM

Walked outside today and it was sunny (if only for a moment) so I decided to get the juices flowing in the wagon today.

Cell phone pic to prove it:

2 things I observed today:
I need to work on cold start. Cold out this morning and took about 30 seconds of cranking to get it to go.

Also, 15psi in 5th gear on moderate throttle seems to want to make the clutch slip too. So it's becoming a bit more apparent that I'll be swapping at least the pressure plate eventually. It's a bit unnerving/annoying to be accelerating at 50% throttle in 5th gear and hear the engine suddenly start revving and the BOV start fluttering.

Obviously doesn't mean the car isn't still super fun to drive, but I don't like knowing that it's not going to hold if I stomp on it. If it'll do it now, I am sure it will be useless if I want to turn the boost up to 20-25psi.

The tune on it now feels really good considering. Last time we did some road tuning on it we only really tuned the lower half of the load map in the fuel table, then used the LINK interpolate function and let it do the math for higher up in the load range until the day eventually comes when I can coordinate dyno. Watched the wideband on a few pulls on the drive today and AFRs transition nice and smooth from vacuum into throttle settling at about 12:1 above a couple psi holding that to about 10-15psi. Car stills seems to be the happiest/smoothest at idle though at about 13:1. Cruising on the freeway in 5th at 2500-3000rpm AFRs sit right at 14.5-15:1.

harribert · 03-07-2011, 01:49 PM

Sounds like you have most of the tuning dialed. Super geil.

So what ideas do you have for pressure plateage then?

01-22-2011, 11:20 AM	#2504
550 Board Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinois	For me, I'm not too worried about the diff at this point either. Because it is something that can be easily done. (My situation is a little different because I'm renting a building for the sole purpose of getting the 16vt going.) I can do a diff swap in the summer in the driveway with out too much issue. __________________ Joe Bieda V.C.O.A. Midwest Chapter President. 1984 242 M46 GLT. -Couple of things done to it 1998 S70 Auto. -LONG history. 1983 242 M46 Check out http://JJFAB.net For your K24 CBV blanking plates and oil feed/return flanges!!

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02-26-2011, 11:27 PM	#2520
klr142 Turbo, what? Join Date: May 2004 Location: OR	DRIVE IT! THE RAIN IS NOT OUT THERE! Pussy. __________________ Kyle - NLMGG: '91 244 NA DD/Track - General Leif: '71 142 b230 Chumpcar - Oregon Volvo Tuners? - For Sale?

03-07-2011, 01:49 PM	#2525
harribert M90s are lame anyway Join Date: May 2007 Location: PDX	Sounds like you have most of the tuning dialed. Super geil. So what ideas do you have for pressure plateage then? __________________ '94 944T '11 Fit Sport...at least it's a manual. ~~'92 944~~ ~~Uberhoopt; '91 244~~

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01-23-2011, 10:43 PM	#2505
ryanfay more bounce to the ounce Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: hayward hillbillyopolis	Sorry to jump in so late but one quickie: I seem to remember that you installed a spec clutch. I also recall hearing mixed opinions on these things from other dudes. My question is are they grippier than sachs clutches? They are atleast double the price, and for that hella high price, do they live up to the manufacturers claims?

01-23-2011, 11:06 PM	#2507
ryanfay more bounce to the ounce Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: hayward hillbillyopolis	In your opinion, would it be better to stick with sachs or look elsewhere? Im just hesatant to drop that much money on something that seems like a gamble.

01-23-2011, 11:44 PM	#2509
ryanfay more bounce to the ounce Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: hayward hillbillyopolis	Nothing a m46 couldnt handle. Not trying to go all in as shes my daily ride, just dont like the softness of the sachs. Thats really my only complaint - no slippage under minimal loads, but its noticeable on steep hills with lots of crap (or people) in the back, but minor. The majority of material posted seems to poo poo the specs. However, there isnt really a universal consensus on their performance, but enough negativity to make me worry. Did you buy one of the wilder 3 or 3+ specs? What was the major drawback? I dont mean to pry, just trying to understand what exactly is out there.

01-28-2011, 04:01 AM	#2518
Wiley Board Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Logan UT	I have been thinking of what color to paint my block. Your idea is the most bomb thing i have seen so far. I hope you don't mind me doing the same to mine. By the way, GREAT looking 245!

02-26-2011, 10:41 PM	#2519
cookiemonster131 Newbie Join Date: May 2010	Come on Cameron I still check this daily!

03-07-2011, 01:39 PM	#2524
Cameron ドクターマリオ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Crawling around under the car	Walked outside today and it was sunny (if only for a moment) so I decided to get the juices flowing in the wagon today. Cell phone pic to prove it: 2 things I observed today: I need to work on cold start. Cold out this morning and took about 30 seconds of cranking to get it to go. Also, 15psi in 5th gear on moderate throttle seems to want to make the clutch slip too. So it's becoming a bit more apparent that I'll be swapping at least the pressure plate eventually. It's a bit unnerving/annoying to be accelerating at 50% throttle in 5th gear and hear the engine suddenly start revving and the BOV start fluttering. Obviously doesn't mean the car isn't still super fun to drive, but I don't like knowing that it's not going to hold if I stomp on it. If it'll do it now, I am sure it will be useless if I want to turn the boost up to 20-25psi. The tune on it now feels really good considering. Last time we did some road tuning on it we only really tuned the lower half of the load map in the fuel table, then used the LINK interpolate function and let it do the math for higher up in the load range until the day eventually comes when I can coordinate dyno. Watched the wideband on a few pulls on the drive today and AFRs transition nice and smooth from vacuum into throttle settling at about 12:1 above a couple psi holding that to about 10-15psi. Car stills seems to be the happiest/smoothest at idle though at about 13:1. Cruising on the freeway in 5th at 2500-3000rpm AFRs sit right at 14.5-15:1.