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Old 05-30-2009, 09:21 PM   #1
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Is there anyone doing anything with the B8444 yet? I know they are pretty new/expensive at this point... but it is a Volvo made V8 which would be pretty slick in a "real" volvo. I assume never being in a longitudinal layout vehicle it doesn't have any bosses for engine mounts on both sides? Does this engine have any features (bell pattern mostly) in common with the whiteblocks?

Couldn't find any threads about it so I figured I'd start one...


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Old 05-30-2009, 09:57 PM   #2
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well....yamaha V8...but I have pistons and rods.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:00 PM   #3
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What is the deal with that engine. I find some things that say it was sort of designed by Volvo and had nothing to do with the SHO V8 and other statements that is was a direct descendent of the SHO engine. Anyone know the real story?
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:04 PM   #4
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all the press seems to think its a Yamaha inspired V8.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...24/288082.html

according to my wiseco sources who supplies the Volvo v8 pistons they are the same as the yamaha stuff, at least dimensionally.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:16 PM   #5
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I'm pretty sure the SHO engine has bolt on RWD trans options... maybe the bell pattern is the same? Not that it has mounting bosses that would work... but something can usually be done.

EDIT: I was thinking the SHO V6... which I guess is a fairly different lineage than the SHO V8. The SHO V8 is duratec derived, but if it has a duratec bellhousing pattern it should have rwd options as well.

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Old 05-30-2009, 11:31 PM   #6
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i'd just love to try one of these for my next project, in a 122 it'd be just dandy.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:32 PM   #7
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i have seen a B8444 in a 240 somewhere in the intertubes...
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:36 PM   #8
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i have seen a B8444 in a 240 somewhere in the intertubes...
Anyone who posts a link gets a gold star... I couldn't find anything earlier...


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Old 05-30-2009, 11:43 PM   #9
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I think about make the same question. That engine use the same transmissions of the whiteblocks? Based in info of the lyerpedia, is a Volvo desing, Yamaha-built engine, maybe to save money.
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There was a thread a while back with a link to a bunch of pictures from one of those massive Swedish Volvo meets. The picture was there. Seems like an awfully nice engine, I just can't love it for Volvo stuff because it isn't a Volvo :( I still bet its phenominal...Yamaha builds awesome stuff.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:52 PM   #11
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I think about make the same question. That engine use the same transmissions of the whiteblocks? Based in info of the lyerpedia, is a Volvo desing, Yamaha-built engine, maybe to save money.
Based on what I'm reading there is a good chance it uses some type of Ford based transmission (for other duratec family blocks). Hard to verify though there isn't much info out there. This would be a good thing though there are plenty of bolt on RWD transmissions for the duratec patterns. (truck applications mostly)


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Based on what I'm reading there is a good chance it uses some type of Ford based transmission (for other duratec family blocks). Hard to verify though there isn't much info out there. This would be a good thing though there are plenty of bolt on RWD transmissions for the duratec patterns. (truck applications mostly)


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The B8444S uses an Aisin Warner TF80SC. This is a six speed transaxle which I have NEVER seen any problems out of.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:32 AM   #13
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The B8444S uses an Aisin Warner TF80SC. This is a six speed transaxle which I have NEVER seen any problems out of.
I've replaced 3 in v8 xc90s in the last 2 months, seen other people do 2 also. They all seem to fail in the same way too, when you force it to kickdown or just accelerate hard the next upshift engages very harshly on/off/on/off about three times and then it just acts like its in neutral because the engine just revs up and bounces of the limiter.

They use the tf80sc in the later s60/v70s and also on the new 3.2 i6, maybe the bolt pattern on the v8 is the same as the older whiteblocks? I haven't really payed attention to that though.
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I've replaced 3 in v8 xc90s in the last 2 months, seen other people do 2 also. They all seem to fail in the same way too, when you force it to kickdown or just accelerate hard the next upshift engages very harshly on/off/on/off about three times and then it just acts like its in neutral because the engine just revs up and bounces of the limiter.

They use the tf80sc in the later s60/v70s and also on the new 3.2 i6, maybe the bolt pattern on the v8 is the same as the older whiteblocks? I haven't really payed attention to that though.
Damn, the Californian heat must be getting to them.

I, however, have done a couple engines. One because of a balance shaft, another because of a failed chain tensioner.
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I've replaced 3 in v8 xc90s in the last 2 months, seen other people do 2 also. They all seem to fail in the same way too, when you force it to kickdown or just accelerate hard the next upshift engages very harshly on/off/on/off about three times and then it just acts like its in neutral because the engine just revs up and bounces of the limiter.

They use the tf80sc in the later s60/v70s and also on the new 3.2 i6, maybe the bolt pattern on the v8 is the same as the older whiteblocks? I haven't really payed attention to that though.
sounds like a software/controller issue more than a physical issue
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sounds like a software/controller issue more than a physical issue
I sure hope so because I had one come in that was doing something similar to that.

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Old 05-31-2009, 08:44 AM   #17
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They use the tf80sc in the later s60/v70s and also on the new 3.2 i6, maybe the bolt pattern on the v8 is the same as the older whiteblocks? I haven't really payed attention to that though.
Looks like it has a non-integral bellhousing... so it is likely they have application specific bellhousings. I think that trans is used in a ton of non-volvo applications as well.


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Old 05-31-2009, 09:00 AM   #18
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:10 AM   #19
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Excellent! Thanks Cameron!

That's a supra trans, def not a bolt-on but a great trans. The trans bellhousing mounted starter is a PITA.

Looks like they made a plate which bolts to the oil pan (appears to be 1/2" steel or something similarly beefy) to add the left side engine mount. I'm assuming there is a usable mount on the other side but there aren't any pics of that side.

Pretty cool, looks like it was ridiculously difficult though.


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Whoa, that bellhousing looks interesting.
I assume (hope?) that is before they welded it up fully. Maybe it is mostly a show car


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Old 05-31-2009, 10:48 AM   #22
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I poke around looking at pricing on these motors a couple times a year maybe.

They're still all $4000-$6000 so it's hard to justify still for me at least...

Twin turbo 32v FTW though!


BTW why do you guys obsess over transmission adapters as like, the main hurdle of all engine swaps?
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:50 PM   #23
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The yamha engine is nice and could be constrewed as a volvo engine, just as much as prv anyways. Very not cheap though.

If your really itching for 8 holes and 32 valves I'd suggest a toyota lexus 1uzfe or 2uz. They are amazing engines that take well to boost and are caplable of exceeding 300,000 miles at stock spec. Plus I have seen suitable donor cars in the 2000-3000 dollar range compared to 4000ish for a b8444 longblock. What sounds better... volvaha or Vo-Lex? Jk that last question was irrelavent.

Thats what you should do if you bastardize a volvo.
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The yamha engine is nice and could be constrewed as a volvo engine, just as much as prv anyways. Very not cheap though.

If your really itching for 8 holes and 32 valves I'd suggest a toyota lexus 1uzfe or 2uz. They are amazing engines that take well to boost and are caplable of exceeding 300,000 miles at stock spec. Plus I have seen suitable donor cars in the 2000-3000 dollar range compared to 4000ish for a b8444 longblock.

Thats what you should do if you bastardize a volvo.

I like the 60° V of the Volvo over the typical 90° V of most all other V8's, Toyota/Lexus included...that being said, if someone wanted to give me a perfect Toyota/Lexas V8 motor it could find it's way into the car
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I like the 60° V of the Volvo over the typical 90°
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for me I'll just take the cheaper option though.
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