Turbo 740 at Auto Club Dragway in So Cal on 5/30/09 on video!

[ThickasaBrick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fbm...eature=channel
Hi all. I don't know the person who did the video but it's cool. Who's car is this? Does he hang out here? We talked only briefly. I wish I had spent more time learning about his car but I was being pulled in too many directions that day. Here are some photos of the car too: http://poolemanphotography.smugmug.c...50966534_xNbiS

I have a 90 turbo 740 wagon that I'm getting real close to turning my attention to now that I've got my 93 400E running like it should: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOpeN...eature=channel

Please forgive me...I love both older Benzes and RWD Volvos! Anyway, I'm just studying the threads at this point and trying to learn. I'm hoping my learning curve will be less steep with my Volvo since I now know a bit about the Bosch LH system since that's what's on my 400E. Does anybody know if these two LH systems have much in common? Regards, Eric

[YellowT5-r]

Welcome! I'm not sure who's 740 that is, but there are plenty of resources around here with go-fast info, as well as parts and advice. Your 90 wagon makes a nice easy platform for mods. For what it's worth, I'd recommend getting your car to the proverbial "Stage 0" first - you can search for the term to see a list of commonly staged mods, but stage 0 means that all of your basic maintenance stuff is done. Once your car is at stage 0, decide on some goals and figure out how much cash you want to spend, and/or work you want to invest. The nice thing about your car as a starting point is you can have a whole lotta fun regardless of budget, ranging from hooptie powah to full blown Porsche pooping race car.

The LH in your 745 should be LH 2.4 which is pretty easy to get along with compared to other versions and has a lot of aftermarket support here on the site.

Have fun and enjoy.

[fast242]

that does not look like any I have seen recently, but there are quite a few volvo lurkers around that rarely post but research the TB forum. And a white 740 with stock Hydra wheels are pretty common as well.

BTW, what was the wait to get in line to run, how many runs did you get in for the day, and what was the cost. I am pretty close to Calif speedway track and have been meaning to come out to run or watch, but have stayed away due to rumors that it's too crowded and very few runs for the cost. I know at Irwindale 1/8th, the average for most was about 6 runs per night at a cost of $20.

The LH of volvo and Benz are very similar, but some variations exist. A 1990 740T probably has the volvo LH2.4 and is one of the better volvo LH systems for reliability, ease of modification (at least now it is) and cheap to upgrade. I don't know what series the Benz 400e runs in LH, but it most likely has MANY of the same sensors, and layout. If you know the benz well, the volvo will be just as easy to sort.

check out member "760brick90" who is another of the Socal brickers I have seen drag. he might be interested in getting his car out on a 1/4th mile out in "Fauntucky"

the next two weeks might be very good to get out because the weather has been so over cast and not blippin hot in that area, or silly windy.

Cheers

PJ

[ThickasaBrick]

Thanks guys.

Are you guys sure I have the 2.4LH? Some of what I'm seeing indicates I may have the 2.2LH. Maybe they are miss-informed. I don't know. Is the 2.2 also decent? Which one is most similar to what my 400E has?

fast242, I think the spelling is "Fontucky". The track varies wildly. Some days are decent, some days are awful. Some days you might only get in 4 runs. On 05/02/09, I got in 11 runs and I didn't even get there till about noon! On 05/30/09 I got there at about Noon and got in 6 runs. It's also $20 but there is no night racing which really sucks cause the days are mostly too hot. The only good thing about the place is the fact that it is a legitimate 1/4 mile and that's a biggie to me. The last time I checked, the next day isn't till the end of June which may be getting too hot by then. But we need to check the site often cause they sometimes add dates and those added dates tend to be the ones that are the least crowded. http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Tick...b-Dragway.aspx

Speaking of Irwindale, there was a 7xx wagon there on 3/26/09 that spanked a Titan there and that Titan guy was making excuses and saying that he wishes he could race that Volvo again cause he would beat him this time blah blah blah. I kind of have a on-going feud with the Titan boys and it would be so cool for that re-match to actually happen. Maybe that Volvo is here too. Here is the video of that night, the Volvo is toward the end. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/N...eet_643286.htm
That Titan guy's badmouthing is here: http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/show...t=54764&page=4 (post number 33)
Regards, Eric

[Mueller]

Originally Posted by ThickasaBrick

Thanks guys.

Are you guys sure I have the 2.4LH? Some of what I'm seeing indicates I may have the 2.2LH. Maybe they are miss-informed. I don't know. Is the 2.2 also decent? Which one is most similar to what my 400E has?

fast242, I think the spelling is "Fontucky". The track varies wildly. Some days are decent, some days are awful. Some days you might only get in 4 runs. On 05/02/09, I got in 11 runs and I didn't even get there till about noon! On 05/30/09 I got there at about Noon and got in 6 runs. It's also $20 but there is no night racing which really sucks cause the days are mostly too hot. The only good thing about the place is the fact that it is a legitimate 1/4 mile and that's a biggie to me. The last time I checked, the next day isn't till the end of June which may be getting too hot by then. But we need to check the site often cause they sometimes add dates and those added dates tend to be the ones that are the least crowded. http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Tick...b-Dragway.aspx

Speaking of Irwindale, there was a 7xx wagon there on 3/26/09 that spanked a Titan there and that Titan guy was making excuses and saying that he wishes he could race that Volvo again cause he would beat him this time blah blah blah. I kind of have a on-going feud with the Titan boys and it would be so cool for that re-match to actually happen. Maybe that Volvo is here too. Here is the video of that night, the Volvo is toward the end. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/N...eet_643286.htm
Regards, Eric

easy....go to fcp groton on-line, look for a replacement AMM, match part number with what you have and what they list....they do not mix and match, one AMM part number is for a specific FI

[ThickasaBrick]

Originally Posted by Mueller

easy....go to fcp groton on-line, look for a replacement AMM, match part number with what you have and what they list....they do not mix and match, one AMM part number is for a specific FI

Could you please elaborate a little more? I'm afraid I don't yet know much about what you are talking about. What does "AMM" stand for? Is the "AMM" what others would call the "ECU" and/or "module"? I did a search---"no matches". Sorry for my ignorance. I'm not a total loss though cause I at least know that your duck is one of the "Wonder Pets".

I'm noticing that they are grouping my 90 ECU with the 91 and 92 ECUs so I guess maybe I am a 2.4? Regards, Eric

[fast242]

Originally Posted by ThickasaBrick

Thanks guys.

Are you guys sure I have the 2.4LH? Some of what I'm seeing indicates I may have the 2.2LH. Maybe they are miss-informed. I don't know. Is the 2.2 also decent? Which one is most similar to what my 400E has?

fast242, I think the spelling is "Fontucky". The track varies wildly. Some days are decent, some days are awful. Some days you might only get in 4 runs. On 05/02/09, I got in 11 runs and I didn't even get there till about noon! On 05/30/09 I got there at about Noon and got in 6 runs. It's also $20 but there is no night racing which really sucks cause the days are mostly too hot. The only good thing about the place is the fact that it is a legitimate 1/4 mile and that's a biggie to me. The last time I checked, the next day isn't till the end of June which may be getting too hot by then. But we need to check the site often cause they sometimes add dates and those added dates tend to be the ones that are the least crowded. http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Tick...b-Dragway.aspx

Speaking of Irwindale, there was a 7xx wagon there on 3/26/09 that spanked a Titan there and that Titan guy was making excuses and saying that he wishes he could race that Volvo again cause he would beat him this time blah blah blah. I kind of have a on-going feud with the Titan boys and it would be so cool for that re-match to actually happen. Maybe that Volvo is here too. Here is the video of that night, the Volvo is toward the end. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/N...eet_643286.htm
That Titan guy's badmouthing is here: http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/show...t=54764&page=4 (post number 33)
Regards, Eric

The titan owner really needs to learn how to write. Almost impossible to understand his sentences. And he was beat by "760brick90" who was getting all sorts of mad traction. I have never seen a peg leg volvo brake boost that hard off the line without wheel spin through the full 60ft mark. And 18 psi of boost on a 13C turbo was also quite amazing. So far off the efficiency of that tiny turbo. I still need to get his sunglasses back to him when he left them at my house.

The fastest way to tell if you have LH2.4 is to see if you have a sensor on the intake hose before the turbo. The LH 2.2 does not have this air intake temp sensor. It sits inline with the crank case breather hose. The next indicator is if you have the crank sensor on the flywheel/flexplate. The 2.4's have them and are right behind the cylinder head. And from a quick search based on Air mass sensors, he should have lh2.4 based on the year. Apparently 1989 was the first year for 2.4 on 740's even though some 760 turbo's did not have lh2.4 till 1990. 1990 seems to be the full year for 2.4, but I would not say that it is 100% for sure lh2.4.

I went with the phonic spelling of Fontucky to help those who don't know what we are talking about. I could even get away with Fawntucky as well. Not a fan of the area, even if I do live in the "909". Just the LA county part of it.

PJ

[ThickasaBrick]

Oh! Air Mass Meter? Sorry, I'm used to calling that part the MAS. I'm going out to the car now to look.

OK, I do have the IAT sensor! Cool! Didn't see much behind the head except for the dist. but I'm not worried. BTW, the "AMM" number is 0 280 212 016 3 517 020.

I'm with you on Fontana. I think calling it "Fontucky" is unfair to the fine (by comparison) folks in Kentucky.

What does "760brick90" run in the 1/8th? Has he ever done the 1/4? What does he run there? It's dark in the video but it looks like his car is even the same silver/gray color as my car. Same color, engine, body style, year, is he even running an automatic too?

I'm looking forward to hanging out at the track with you PJ. Regards, Eric

[ThickasaBrick]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I can't find the AMMs for the 740 turbos at fcp groton on-line. I found the one they have for my 400E but not for the 740?!? Can somebody please link me? Just want to look at the part numbers since I already went to the trouble to get the one from the car. Thanks. Regards, Eric

[ThickasaBrick]

OK got it covered now...I'm slow sometimes.
The 90-92 air meter they show has the same Bosch part number as mine.

For the record, it turns out I was wrong when I said I found the one for my 400E. Apparently, they only have the ones for the 94 and later V-8s...don't know why there is that split cause there shouldn't be a difference until '96.
Regards, Eric

[760brick90]

Originally Posted by ThickasaBrick

Oh! Air Mass Meter? Sorry, I'm used to calling that part the MAS. I'm going out to the car now to look.

OK, I do have the IAT sensor! Cool! Didn't see much behind the head except for the dist. but I'm not worried. BTW, the "AMM" number is 0 280 212 016 3 517 020.

I'm with you on Fontana. I think calling it "Fontucky" is unfair to the fine folks in Kentucky.

What does "760brick90" run in the 1/8th? Has he ever done the 1/4? What does he run there? It's dark in the video but it looks like his car is even the same silver/gray color as my car. Same color, engine, body style, year, is he even running an automatic too?

I'm looking forward to hanging out at the track with you PJ. Regards, Eric

Hi there! 760brick90 here. I'm running a near stock setup with an auto. My boost set to 14lbs with the 13c was 18lbs at the time of the vid "btw thanks for that vid, I'v been looking for a long time for one, custom "ghetto cold air intake" and free flow exhaust with gutted cat with stock pipe size. Full AC delete as well as the clutch fan.
I have not run the 1/4 yet but ran okay numbers at Irwindale with the best being 9.71et at 70.1mph

[ThickasaBrick]

Hey dude! It's nice to meet you. I instantly liked you and your car cause you caused a Titan some grief!
Is the "13c" the stock Mitsubishi turbo these come with? By what means have you raised the boost? A custom "ghetto cold air intake" is my first and only mod to my car so far. Are you saying you completely eliminated the clutch fan? Are you depending solely on the stock aux. fan now or did you upgrade? Sorry if some of my questions seem lame but remember, I'm just starting out in Volvoland.
BTW, what color is you car?
We both need to get our Volvos down to about a 9 flat if we're gonna beat the Titans...they've been getting quicker.
I've been spanking them with my Benz, though they can usually take me in the 1/8th, I always smoke 'em bad in the 1/4! Now I want to spank them with my Volvo too!

Edit: Just remembered I've done a second mod as well: I've removed the second screen from the AMM.
Regards, Eric

[d34thd34l3r]

When is the next time you guys are going down to the strip?

I wanna go now that I got my 15g turbo cam and gear and other goodies in =)

[760brick90]

Originally Posted by ThickasaBrick

Hey dude! It's nice to meet you. I instantly liked you and your car cause you caused a Titan some grief!
Is the "13c" the stock Mitsubishi turbo these come with? By what means have you raised the boost? A custom "ghetto cold air intake" is my first and only mod to my car so far. Are you saying you completely eliminated the clutch fan? Are you depending solely on the stock aux. fan now or did you upgrade? Sorry if some of my questions seem lame but remember, I'm just starting out in Volvoland.
BTW, what color is you car?
We both need to get our Volvos down to about a 9 flat if we're gonna beat the Titans...they've been getting quicker.
I've been spanking them with my Benz, though they can usually take me in the 1/8th, I always smoke 'em bad in the 1/4! Now I want to spank them with my Volvo too!

Edit: Just remembered I've done a second mod as well: I've removed the second screen from the AMM.
Regards, Eric

My car has a few colors lol, grey and black and a mix between the both.
As far as the 13c is the stocker for a 90' 760. I am using only the aux fan and it seems to be just fine with in even in 95+ degree temps in traffic. How I raised the boost is the cheapest way but takes a bit time to "dial in". Under the turbo is the wastegate and the actuator bar, that bar is adjustable. As you shorten that bar you raise the tension on the actuator and its spring inside, thus you raise the boost pressure. There are more mods that I want to do to my car b4 I get to the track again BUT I just might do it again. That night was SO much fun and it was my first time to.

As for my mods on the "to do list" is a 15g OR 16g turbo, brown top injectors, 3 inch turbo back exhaust, 3'amm, "thelastartof" chips and not to sure which one to go for but a IPD turbo cam or the RSI stage II turbo cam.

BTW, where are you located?

[ThickasaBrick]

Fast242, To address something you brought up earlier, Over in Benzland we don't use these 2.2-2.4 designations cause I think we only had one LH generation. I'm thinking that my 400E has the 2.4 because: 1) It does have the IAT sensor and 2) My 400E is a 93.
Benz went straight from a CIS-E to a LH to a Motronic. They were very slow to replace the CIS-E (they used it till 92-93!) and thus I think they skipped the earlier LH. I'm asking my Benz brothers about it though on my fav. Benz forum. Regards, Eric

[ThickasaBrick]

To be honest I was planning on sitting out the hot months and going back in the Fall. That's why I went 3 times during May...to get that last "push" in. I figured I would learn about the 740, mod it a bit, test it a little, then hit the track with a bang (no pun intended) in the Fall. But plans can always change.

So 14-18 pounds was no problem? The stock 2.4 LH pours in the needed extra fuel and keeps the air/fuel ratios correct?

I'm in Riverside, another knappy place though not as knappy as Fontana.
Regards, Eric

[fast242]

Thats why June can sometimes be one of the better months to get a few good runs in. With June gloom, the temps stay down, all day even in the IE. After June, it's all downhill from there till late september. But we cant exactly predict that, so it is a crap shoot.

I like Riverside outside of the hot days. Fun little city, plus my Aunt and Uncle live there. Wife worked at a country club in Riverside for a while. She now works for Trader Joe's in Rancho Cucamonga. Me, I sadly usually work in West Los Angeles, or if I am lucky, in Lake Arrowhead and many parts of the IE. I even do work in parts of OC and LA county.

I might be down to drag, finally got my rear axle bushings done, and my new maps on my MS look promising, interesting to rev to 7,426rpm on a volvo B230FT. Still have nasty missfires under boost at certain rpm ranges, but everything seems to points to a faulty ground or temp sensor and very rich maps. Some tweaking should get it into full throttle goodness. Hopefully, I can get enough work in the next few weeks to have some disposable income to drag, and be ok if something breaks. Recently, I Got on a long freeway on ramp, ran 2nd gear out to 7k, shifted to third and slowly pushed it to higher boost, got some impressive missfires that created great flames and backfires out the back. It was dark enough for me to see the flash in my rear view mirror. Probably scared the people who live near that on ramp. If the backfires and missfires did not slow the car, I probably would not mind, but the car does not like it.

As far as LH on volvo, it's only LH2.0, LH2.2, 2.4 and 3.1. Turbo 740's only had 2.2 or 2.4, and later 940's only got up to 2.4. Only the normally aspirated B230's got 3.1 after 92 I believe. Dont hold me to that, since I have only heard that, and not confirmed it.

The Benz's did use KE-jet for a long time, and LH in other applications, and they may have some variations that are a little different than volvo.

760brick90.. If you have to choose a cam and HP is the goal and you can rev to at least 7k rpm, go with the RSI phase 2. My RSI phase 2 just feels so much better than the IPD turbo cam ever did. But be warned, in a cylinder head without head work and an auto, you will see a loss of bottom end power off the line. With my head, and stick and MS, this is not an issue for me. The 16T flows more than the 15g, but has the same exhaust housing body and wheel. The 16t is a better choice, but any bigger and you need many things to match it, and a built up T3 will be a much better choice than the 16t due to the restrictive exhaust housing when dealing with higher rpm and higher boost levels. But unless you have some seriously lofty goals, the 16T is not a bad choice.

Cheers and I hope to see if we can get one more day in before the summer kills all the fun.

PJ

[ThickasaBrick]

OK, I'm up for giving the end of June a go but there's no way I can have my Volvo ready in time, so I'll have to bring the 400E instead. That's OK though for now, right? Regards, Eric

[fast242]

No prob with me. I dig older benz's on the track. I wonder if 760brick90 will come, or deathdealer.

PJ

[ThickasaBrick]

I'm reading different posts and I can't seem to find a consensus....Seems to be many differing opinions...is 14-18 pounds really OK? Will the stock 2.4 LH pour in the needed extra fuel and keep the air/fuel ratios correct without me having to do a bunch of extra stuff? I need to stay low dollar. I know it can be done but I also know that what might be a little oops with my N/A cars could be a BIG OOOOPPS with a turbo car in a big hurry. Just what can I get away with? I'd be happy with 14 pounds BTW. The goal is uncorrected low 14s in the 1/4 mile. I want to better the uncorrected 14.4s I'm getting with the 400E.
Regards, Eric

[ThickasaBrick]

If anyone is interested, this thread chronicles my aprox. 1 year journey with my Benz. I went from knowing very little to now knowing a little more than very little (I am probably at the "a little" stage now). But the car is way faster now than anyone (including me) thought it would be. Look at the links too. When I came up with some of the mods like the IATS mod and the CTS mod I didn't know that others had already been doing them for years. I thought I was some kind of smart guy lol. Since most of the gains came from monkeying with the LH, a lot of the info there should cross over to the LHs here too? (I hope). We also still have some unanswered questions over there about the LH. Maybe some of those questions have already been answered here? http://www.500ecstasy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5998
Regards, Eric

[760brick90]

Originally Posted by ThickasaBrick

I'm reading different posts and I can't seem to find a consensus....Seems to be many differing opinions...is 14-18 pounds really OK? Will the stock 2.4 LH pour in the needed extra fuel and keep the air/fuel ratios correct without me having to do a bunch of extra stuff? I need to stay low dollar. I know it can be done but I also know that what might be a little oops with my N/A cars could be a BIG OOOOPPS with a turbo car in a big hurry. Just what can I get away with? I'd be happy with 14 pounds BTW. The goal is uncorrected low 14s in the 1/4 mile. I want to better the uncorrected 14.4s I'm getting with the 400E.
Regards, Eric

If I were you I would run 14lbs just so your dont blow anything. As for the 1/4 I just might be down for the 27th. I was planning for the euro car fest in SD but thats a LONG drive just to be there for a short while.

[RSPRT_740]

Interesting thread here,

Well iv'e been messing around with these cars for quite awhile.There cheap and easy to get alot of decent power from.Hell just $300 in mods got me a 14.0 flat with a blown trans and hell the car wasn't even giving 50% of its true power that night due to that.

Id say go against the grain here on tb and get yourself a eBay .50 trim t3/t4 and a 90+ turbo manifold and port it out.And you should pick up some cfi's from the jy there easy to come by.And reset the ecu and drive it around town for 250 miles on 10psi and no WOT on it till 250 miles LH2.4 takes awhile to learn the new injectors.But its well worth it and you'll have a better map then most people on here do.

Id highly suddgest doing the transmission mods asap if you wanna be a bit faster and have your transmission lasting under power.

*edited out questionable video

Have any other questions ask away.Just gotta sift thru the bs on here to get good info.

[ThickasaBrick]

Thanks for the posts.
I'm sorry, I'm still not hip to the lingo. What are jy cfi's? I figure that it's c..... fuel injectors. Is this that deal where you replace the stock fuel injectors with the fuel injectors nabbed from a couple of Ford V-8 throttle body injection throttle bodies? Are these the same as "brown tops"?
What have you "shimmed"?
Could you please link me to the good threads? I'm afraid I'm so green at this point I could be misled and/or misinformed by well meaning but misled and/or under informed folks.
Do any of you guys have any threads chronicling your car's progresses that I can study and learn from?
Regards, Eric

[d34thd34l3r]

Originally Posted by fast242

No prob with me. I dig older benz's on the track. I wonder if 760brick90 will come, or deathdealer.

PJ

If you guys are going then im definetly down!

Just let me know when and where.