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Old 03-20-2010, 03:53 PM   #1
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Has anyone used this? I tried it out in tuner studio to help smooth my cruise AFRs and it seems to rock the house. A rock solid 14.5:1 afrs through the cruise range, but I'm still trying to fix the low, near idle stuff. I hear its better if you can get the lag correct for your 02 sensor.
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Old 03-20-2010, 04:59 PM   #2
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heck yes tuner studio is awesome. I had to manually fix the idle ve I think there was a way to filter low rpm.

Another thing i noticed was that after i shut off the car the laptop was still analyzing, probably just because its so slow.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:15 PM   #3
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heck yes tuner studio is awesome. I had to manually fix the idle ve I think there was a way to filter low rpm.

Another thing i noticed was that after i shut off the car the laptop was still analyzing, probably just because its so slow.
the lag is controllable. You just have to set it.
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:47 PM   #4
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This reminds me. I was looking at this as I'm tuning and I'm trying to set up my AFR table for cruise and emissions coming up. Anyone have a map I can look at? Thanks!
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:48 PM   #5
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VE analyse is indeed amazing! i used it to tune my 800 t/m 5000 rpm you need a good AFR table. after tuning i use 5% O2 correction while driving. the result is a smooth running car!

when tuning i try to hit as much cells i can get (they turn green when TS tuned it enough).

I asked the developers if they can make a WUE-analyzer and they are working on it already!
imagine, start your (COLD) engine let it warmup and TS will tune your WUE curve!, I spend a lot of time tuning the WUE.

who needs megatune?

I made my (NA) AFR table like this:

set all the cells @ 14.8, then set the top 2 rows @ 13.0
I then set my cruse cells @ 15.8.

When looking in 3d at my table i smooth out the extreme transactions.

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Old 03-20-2010, 08:57 PM   #6
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I asked the developers if they can make a WUE-analyzer and they are working on it already!
imagine, start your (COLD) engine let it warmup and TS will tune your WUE curve!, I spend a lot of time tuning the WUE.
This will be a very nice feature.

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who needs megatune?
Don't knock it, for years it did it's job quite well. I remember using MS from v1.0, it's come a LONG way.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:03 PM   #7
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hehe, respect old software i get your point
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:34 PM   #8
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Is this better than mega log viewer?
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:50 PM   #9
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Is this better than mega log viewer?
its different not better
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:53 AM   #10
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Tunerstudio is a tuning program, you can tune the megasquirt and MAKE a datalog with it.
Mega log viewer is a program where you can view(analyze) the log you made. i use them both

mega log viewer is the first software i payed for i think :P
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:12 PM   #11
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Tunerstudio is a tuning program, you can tune the megasquirt and MAKE a datalog with it.
Mega log viewer is a program where you can view(analyze) the log you made. i use them both

mega log viewer is the first software i payed for i think :P
just imagine tuner studio as a more up to date version of megatune.
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:42 PM   #12
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Netbooks fit in 240 glove boxes.
Could be rigged on a drawer that pulls it out and opens it with glovie door, hardwired into car. Also usable for surfing porn in traffic, playing bad mp3s and even gaming, yet still looks like the 80's with the door closed.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:40 AM   #13
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Netbooks fit in 240 glove boxes.
Could be rigged on a drawer that pulls it out and opens it with glovie door, hardwired into car. Also usable for surfing porn in traffic, playing bad mp3s and even gaming, yet still looks like the 80's with the door closed.
I dismantled a dell d610 and installed it into the trunk. I've got a 17" monitor that slides from a hideaway section of glove box (going to revise this). The problem with netbooks is that the both the screen and keyboard are too small. I have a 15.2" dell that is difficult enough to tune from when we set out to tune because you can barely see the bins and gauges on the screen.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:09 AM   #14
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and than? sitting outside in the cold analyzing your runs ? :P i use an old laptop (dell d505)
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:21 PM   #15
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its different not better
Actually it looks pretty much the same, but better because it is integrated into TS.

MLV is great, you can build a fuel map on the dyno in under an hour with it, and a lot of that time is going back and forth between TS and MLV, reloading maps, etc etc.

Making it all in one program is great.

The last time i used megatune, you still couldn't select/modify multiple cells at once. AKA useless. Maybe they've fixed that now. Regardless, integrating VE analyzer into the tuning software is awesome IMO.
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Actually it looks pretty much the same, but better because it is integrated into TS.

MLV is great, you can build a fuel map on the dyno in under an hour with it, and a lot of that time is going back and forth between TS and MLV, reloading maps, etc etc.

Making it all in one program is great.

The last time i used megatune, you still couldn't select/modify multiple cells at once. AKA useless. Maybe they've fixed that now. Regardless, integrating VE analyzer into the tuning software is awesome IMO.
MLV is also integrated with TS

Your statement assumes that your only using MLV to tune the fuel map,,, if you are you are a NOOB.
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Being able to run VE analyzer from within the tuning environment rather than from a seperate program is more efficient. That's the difference. What you use MLV for is up to you and irrelevant to this fact. The functionality remains the same, it's just less file juggling.
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Being able to run VE analyzer from within the tuning environment rather than from a seperate program is more efficient. That's the difference. What you use MLV for is up to you and irrelevant to this fact. The functionality remains the same, it's just less file juggling.
you don't juggle files with TS, you can click view log and it opens it for you.
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you don't juggle files with TS, you can click view log and it opens it for you.
Sure, but we're talking about analyzing a datalog and then regenerating a fuel map based the afr targets table using VE analyzer, not just viewing a log. Try to keep up, ok?

Previously this required saving the tune, opening the tune in MLV, analyzing it, saving it as a new tune as to not overwrite the existing tune, then you have to load the tune in TS and burn the differences to the ecu.

The new integrtaed setup means you process it in TS, do a save-as, and you're done.
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Sure, but we're talking about analyzing a datalog and then regenerating a fuel map based the afr targets table using VE analyzer, not just viewing a log. Try to keep up, ok?

Previously this required saving the tune, opening the tune in MLV, analyzing it, saving it as a new tune as to not overwrite the existing tune, then you have to load the tune in TS and burn the differences to the ecu.

The new integrtaed setup means you process it in TS, do a save-as, and you're done.
you can't say that VE Live is better then MLV because MLV does much more then just VE analysis... its not better its different...

keep up with that
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i used it tonight, amazing stuff! after a 20 min ride i had smothen out my hole map

But what about lambda delay, what are you ppl running? do you set the lambda delay on the lc-1 lambda or in tunerstudio?
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i used it tonight, amazing stuff! after a 20 min ride i had smothen out my hole map

But what about lambda delay, what are you ppl running? do you set the lambda delay on the lc-1 lambda or in tunerstudio?
finally someone asking a question pertaining to the original topic.

Anyway....I think the'yre supposed to match.
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you can't say that VE Live is better then MLV because MLV does much more then just VE analysis... its not better its different...

keep up with that
For the purposes of adjusting the fuel map, which is what this thread is about, VE live is better.

Speaking generally I agree, but the context of the thread is VE mapping.
Obviously VE live ain't gonna help you find a noisy TPS sensor.

Best way to set lambda delay is on the dyno, like everything else. otherwise when your map gets close, if the delay is wrong, it will hunt, since what point it is adjusting is not where it thinks it got data from, so you just have to play with it. 1 or 2 records is normal.
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I was out tuning a bit with VE analyze live tonight.

I left the lambda delay under advanced settings at the default settings.

But i added 1/12 sec delay to the lc-1 controller. (didn't test the other delay settings)
now the afr are very very close to my afr table, amazing stuff! i tought for my self "wtf tuning should not be this easy! what is wrong"
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I've heard so much good stuff about Tunerstudio I think I might have to switch. I'm so used to using MegaTune and MLV though, and my cruising AFRs are damn near perfect, and I get really good mileage.
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