Neubie with typical newbie turbo mistake to fix

[ofg]

Hello all. I am new to Volvo cars. I picked up a 1998 v70 xc to fix. All it needs is a turbocharger. So, I order a turbocharger off....yes,, ebay. O/k, well the advert said it would fit a v70. What I have is a td04hl-16t, with an angled outlet flange. My stock td04hl-13g has a strait outlet flange, and smaller as well.

So, how can I make this 16T fit where my original 13g was? Is there an adapter,, do I need a specific downpipe?

Can I swap outlet housings between the 2 turbo units?

[varg]

Yes, you can swap the housings, it's fairly easy. The straight flange flows better as well, IIRC.

[ofg]

[ofg]

Both photos new turbo on left, old turbo on right. Slight difference in exhaust manifold flange too. So,,, I can just swap housings!?

[Captain Bondo]

Originally Posted by varg

Yes, you can swap the housings, it's fairly easy. The straight flange flows better as well, IIRC.

Pretty sure the angled housing is a much nicer design, but anyways yeah they can be swapped although keeping the angled and doing a downpipe upgrade is a nice touch, especially since a turbo form a high pressure turbo engine is being put on a low pressure turbo engine. Reducing the backpressure would help it live a little better. I think this swap can be risky unless you are careful but I dont know much about modding stock whiteblocks with Motronic...

[ofg]

O/K, yes, that makes perfect sense. If I am understanding correctly, the td04hl portion of the turbo(center assembly) is the same between models,, its the compressor,, 13g vs 16T which is different. Oh, boy,, happy day! Now I just need some of those white body injectors...


Like I said,, new to Volvo cars here,, but not to boosted cars in general. I do not know all the differences between th high and low pressure engines,, but I think....If I keep the boost pressure within the limits of the stock engine management parameters it will be fine. Just my theory though. Seems like If I use an adjustable boost controller, and dial the booste DOWN to stock level,, it will be good. Then later upgrade to white body injectors,, and dial the boost up slightly.

Anybody correct me if I am wrong,, I am following this path from experience with DSM and audi turbo cars.

Correcting myself here..Planning on using the stock volvo boost solenoid to keep pressure down. Later with injector upgrade,, can use the manual boost controller. I just realized the MBC can only dial down to stock wastegate setting. So,, I may have to use the g13 wastegate actuator...


Anyway,, I am just happy to be able to make it fit!

[ofg]

Problems!! I went to change over the turbine housings,, and they are not a direct swap. New 16t housing is 2.2 inch diameter, and old 13g is 2.0 inch diameter.

Not sure if this is going to work. 0.2 inch is an awful lot to have to machine out.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[brickunderpressure]

Dude, custom downpipe, problem solved! Fresh turbo, use it!

[tryingbe]

Can you post the link of the eBay auction where you bought the turbo from? I think you might bought a non-Mitsubishi turbo which cause the turbine housing not to exchange.

I know for a fact that these Mitsubishi turbine housings are interchangeable.

[varg]

Originally Posted by Captain Bondo

Pretty sure the angled housing is a much nicer design

Yeah, I mixed up "conical" and "angled" in my head. My bad.

[ofg]

Link to the auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_6445wt_760


tryingbe, do you think this turbo can be converted?


As for the custom downpipe,, I am all for that too, but where, and how much?

[700volts]

Originally Posted by ofg

Hello all. I am new to Volvo cars. I picked up a 1998 v70 xc to fix. All it needs is a turbocharger. So, I order a turbocharger off....yes,, ebay. O/k, well the advert said it would fit a v70. What I have is a td04hl-16t, with an angled outlet flange. My stock td04hl-13g has a strait outlet flange, and smaller as well.

So, how can I make this 16T fit where my original 13g was? Is there an adapter,, do I need a specific downpipe?

Can I swap outlet housings between the 2 turbo units?

So you bought a 16T with an angled flange?

Yes, use you're old 13G straight flange with your new 16T center and cold side.

[ofg]

If somebody can verify that there exists a turbine housing with strait outlet, and correct size for stock v70 downpipe flange, and having a 2.2" center mounting inner diameter,,then I would just order up that part. Its only money right?!

[brickunderpressure]

Well, than just go to a good muffler/performance shop or a metal fab shop and have them make you a downpipe! Increase your performance even more with a 3 inch DP! If you dont need a conical its even easier! DON'T BE SCARED TO FABRICATE! You will end up spending more buying a new turbine housing than fabricating a sweet DP!

[ofg]

will this downpipe mate my 16t to my stock exhaust? v70 awd?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-3...#ht_1611wt_681

[brickunderpressure]

Dude, I dont know.... We on this forum dont usually deal with new gen volvo's. If you have to smog your car, no because you need a cat. If not, buy it and then you have a downpipe a welder can use to cut up and make work... Or you could just use and modify your stock downpipe.

[wagonfetish]

Originally Posted by brickunderpressure

Dude, custom downpipe, problem solved! Fresh turbo, use it!

this.
Any exhaust/muffler shop should be able to fab a downpipe for you. Might want them to weld in a 2nd 02 sensor bung for a wideband, when you decide to up the boost.

[tryingbe]

Originally Posted by ofg

Link to the auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_6445wt_760

tryingbe, do you think this turbo can be converted?

That's not a Mitsubishi turbo for sure. Although it looks very similar, As you found out, it does not uses the same parts as Mitsubishi turbos. So, no, it can't be converted.

Originally Posted by 700volts

So you bought a 16T with an angled flange?

Yes, use you're old 13G straight flange with your new 16T center and cold side.

He tried that, it was no go, due to the turbo not manufactured by Mitsubishi.

Originally Posted by ofg

If somebody can verify that there exists a turbine housing with strait outlet, and correct size for stock v70 downpipe flange, and having a 2.2" center mounting inner diameter,,then I would just order up that part. Its only money right?!

Does not exist, at least not made by Mitsubishi.

Originally Posted by ofg

will this downpipe mate my 16t to my stock exhaust? v70 awd?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-3...#ht_1611wt_681

Maybe, at worst, you'll have to weld the downpipe to your catalytic converter.

[850turbo]

This thread clears up my question in your for sale thread.

Although tryingbe might be right about it not being a genuine MHI turbo, the other reason your turbine housing swap might not be working is the turbine wheel size. The turbine wheels that came on whiteblock turbos were either 6cm^2 or 7cm^2. I know angled flange 16Ts were 7cm^2, and if your 13G is a 6cm^2 then thats why your straight flange housing isnt fitting.

The 16T angled flange turbo is noticeably better than the 13G, so I would definitely keep it and get a downpipe that will fit like some other people have suggested. As far as tuning goes, your kind of on the right track. Although some people will disagree with me, its not a good idea to use MBC's or in any way override the ECU's boost control on motronic 4.3, 4.4 or ME7 cars. You can run the 16T on the stock tune safely while you decide what you want to do about tuning. It will barely feel different while running on the stock ECU and wont run any more boost than the 13G. Then you can upgrade to a stock T5/R tune or even a modified T5/R tune along with the appropriate injectors depending on what you want and what you feel comfortable with.

Also, in the future you might want to post on volvospeed with questions about this car. They are way more knowledable about FWD/AWD whiteblock cars.

hope that helped some

[tryingbe]

All the Mitsubishi equipped FWD Volvo sold in US come with 7cm^2 turbine housing. Doesn't matter if it is conical, flat, or flange housing. You might find on eBay that Volvo turbos shipped from Japan has 6cm^2 turbine housing, but those are made for Japan spec Volvo.

All the Mitsubishi equipped FWD Volvo come with the same turbine wheel. Doesn't mater if the turbo is 13G, 13T, 15G, 16T, 18T, or 19T, same turbine wheel.

[ofg]

Any ideas as to what brand or type my new turbo is? Might be I could still use it but would need that info. The seller is ignoring my requests! I am going to contact ebay and log a complaint. That usually wakes them up quick!

[850turbo]

tryingbe, are you sure? I thought some of the earlier smaller compressor turbos were 6cm^2, even in north america? you can always look at the number cast into the housing to tell.

ofg, no idea what companies make aftermarket mitsubishi turbos, but let us know what you find out from the seller if you get through to them.

[tryingbe]

Originally Posted by 850turbo

tryingbe, are you sure? I thought some of the earlier smaller compressor turbos were 6cm^2, even in north america? you can always look at the number cast into the housing to tell.

I've deal with probably over 40+ TD04HL turbos, all 7cm^2

Originally Posted by ofg

Any ideas as to what brand or type my new turbo is? Might be I could still use it but would need that info. The seller is ignoring my requests! I am going to contact ebay and log a complaint. That usually wakes them up quick!

Some Chinese manufacturer. Good luck finding out.

[850turbo]

lol, ok, i'll take your word for it

[jgunnar]

Originally Posted by 850turbo

Also, in the future you might want to post on volvospeed with questions about this car. They are way more knowledable about FWD/AWD whiteblock cars.

hope that helped some

When he is ready to step up to the plate and get some 18" pegs and R valve stem caps, VS will be the perfect source!