performance cam profiles

n xntrx volvo · 07-31-2005, 02:17 PM

background: found out yest why my 16vt wont run. my valve seats are too high, causing my intake valves to stay open. the lifters in these are hyd, and i've exceded the min clearence. so after pondering pulling everything off, buying gaskets. and getting atleast the valves stems trimmed, if not new seats. i've decided to just get the cams ground by reducing the base circle. before any of you ask about the springs, my installed heigth is still within spec (volvo green book), along with the seat widths etc.

so looking for 16v cam profiles.

engine is a 2.5L (b230 based), b234f head, 8.7 cr, stock valves, a t3/t4 hybrid, stand-alone fi, equal length header, 3" dp and exhaust, adj cam gears (-6, +6), edis etc.

any links, info, tips, etc, would be appreciated.
-Aaron
ps shop to do is here, unless anyone knows someone in socal

n xntrx volvo · 07-31-2005, 02:26 PM

here are the stock and penta cam specs for reference
Camshafts

Axial clearance = 0.002 - 0.0157"
Marking, lift height (marked at rear)
U
U1
268 degrees advertised duration; 19/69/64/24 = exhaust closes 19 ATDC; exhaust opens 69 BBDC; Intake closes 64 ABDC; intake opens 24 BTDC.
Volvo cam upgrade, Aq171 pz cams, the lobes on the PZ cams are 0.7mm taller from base to peak then the stock cams and about 0.5mm wider across

unless i hear otherwise with a better profile, i'll just convert to pz spec.

for those un-familiar with camshaft grinding

looking at these too
Advertised duration 268 degrees, duration at 0.050", cam lift 228 degrees. Lift 0.438"
Cam lift at TDC 0.070" Intake centerline 109degrees ATDC. Lobe separation angle 112degrees

MikeHardy · 07-31-2005, 04:52 PM

whipped this up on dyno.

n xntrx volvo · 07-31-2005, 08:09 PM

looks nice, so that a calc is of the proper cams then? the graph shows why didnt stay with a t3, mine folws around 50% more, will also be at 18psi, and my ic is a powerstroke.

n xntrx volvo · 08-01-2005, 01:04 AM

got them off, and ready to go in tomorrow. any ideas guys?

n xntrx volvo · 08-01-2005, 12:14 PM

guess i'll just go with Advertised duration 268 degrees, duration at 0.050", cam lift 228 degrees. Lift 0.438" Cam lift at TDC 0.070" Intake centerline 109degrees ATDC. Lobe separation angle 112degrees.
woul be nice f someone else knew something.

n xntrx volvo · 08-02-2005, 01:39 AM

bula någon?

volvorsport · 08-02-2005, 06:19 AM

have you got std cams in there , or are you using the penta ones ?

ive been advised that the std cams will be sufficient for this project? what have you got for pistons ?

n xntrx volvo · 08-02-2005, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volvorsport

have you got std cams in there , or are you using the penta ones ?

ive been advised that the std cams will be sufficient for this project? what have you got for pistons ?

i've got the standard b234 "u" cams in there. pistons are notched with an extra 2 mm clearence over the standard eng.

n xntrx volvo · 08-02-2005, 08:32 PM

just got off the phone with the shop, interesting specs on stock "u" cams
236 deg durration at .050"
.370" lift
we're thinking of going to
250 deg durration at .050"
.382" lift
unless i hear otherwise, thats what it'll be.

n xntrx volvo · 08-03-2005, 03:33 AM

as a fyi, one of the guys on tpc linked this on stock cam profiles to me.
http://hacked.free-bsd.org/upload/image.php?bild=724

n xntrx volvo · 08-03-2005, 10:03 PM

spec are above if you cant read the pic.
$75 each
any dohc volvo would be the same price.
company is the one above
or
American custom cam
(626) 938-0073
americancustomcam.com
ask for joe
tell them Aaron sent you and recieve nothing
btw, they do ups/ fedex, so any of you unhelpfull yanks can use them.
-Aaron

olov · 08-03-2005, 10:16 PM

glad to hear you got it done, hope it does the trick

and i'm still not following why you had the problem. is this something that's going to come up whenever people put a b234 head on a b230?

thanks for the info

n xntrx volvo · 08-03-2005, 10:20 PM

no its only a problem when the rebuilder screws up. had to options, this was cheaper, faster, and gave me more hp.

the poi · 08-04-2005, 02:42 AM

well hell. now i want to do that. 150$? thats a frickin deal. Now hell the hell do I figure out what kinda numbers to run?

qwkswede · 08-25-2006, 05:01 PM

Well, with the problems I'm having right now I'm resurrecting this thread. see my other post today.

Did this actually solve the problem? Did you measure the distance from the cam base circle to the valve stem and have the new grind take this into account somehow? I'm curious how much "preload" you put into the lifter when on the backside of the cam. This is great information considering my current similar situation.

I don't know what my machinist was thinking. Maybe he thougt there was enough adjustment in the lifters. Or he didn't know they were hydraulic. I don't know. But I'm hoping to turn this sucky situation into something good with a re-grind.

07-31-2005, 02:17 PM	#1
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	performance cam profiles background: found out yest why my 16vt wont run. my valve seats are too high, causing my intake valves to stay open. the lifters in these are hyd, and i've exceded the min clearence. so after pondering pulling everything off, buying gaskets. and getting atleast the valves stems trimmed, if not new seats. i've decided to just get the cams ground by reducing the base circle. before any of you ask about the springs, my installed heigth is still within spec (volvo green book), along with the seat widths etc. so looking for 16v cam profiles. engine is a 2.5L (b230 based), b234f head, 8.7 cr, stock valves, a t3/t4 hybrid, stand-alone fi, equal length header, 3" dp and exhaust, adj cam gears (-6, +6), edis etc. any links, info, tips, etc, would be appreciated. -Aaron ps shop to do is here, unless anyone knows someone in socal __________________ my cars (click me) I'm not here, Please leave a message after the tone........(or email me).

07-31-2005, 02:26 PM	#2
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	here are the stock and penta cam specs for reference Camshafts Axial clearance = 0.002 - 0.0157" Marking, lift height (marked at rear) U U1 268 degrees advertised duration; 19/69/64/24 = exhaust closes 19 ATDC; exhaust opens 69 BBDC; Intake closes 64 ABDC; intake opens 24 BTDC. Volvo cam upgrade, Aq171 pz cams, the lobes on the PZ cams are 0.7mm taller from base to peak then the stock cams and about 0.5mm wider across unless i hear otherwise with a better profile, i'll just convert to pz spec. for those un-familiar with camshaft grinding looking at these too Advertised duration 268 degrees, duration at 0.050", cam lift 228 degrees. Lift 0.438" Cam lift at TDC 0.070" Intake centerline 109degrees ATDC. Lobe separation angle 112degrees Last edited by n xntrx volvo; 07-31-2005 at 06:27 PM..

07-31-2005, 04:52 PM	#3
MikeHardy The Sirius/Nova Police Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: northern Wales, UK	whipped this up on dyno. __________________ Mike Lost my 2004 V40 GDI sport lux in local flooding last november, currently driving a Mercedes E430 avantgarde with prins LPG system (Sorry guys it is fun though)

08-02-2005, 06:19 AM	#8
volvorsport Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: lincoln UK	have you got std cams in there , or are you using the penta ones ? ive been advised that the std cams will be sufficient for this project? what have you got for pistons ? __________________ muhahhahahhhahhaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-04-2005, 02:42 AM	#15
the poi On a mission Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pasadena, CA	well hell. now i want to do that. 150$? thats a frickin deal. Now hell the hell do I figure out what kinda numbers to run? __________________

07-31-2005, 08:09 PM	#4
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	looks nice, so that a calc is of the proper cams then? the graph shows why didnt stay with a t3, mine folws around 50% more, will also be at 18psi, and my ic is a powerstroke.

08-01-2005, 01:04 AM	#5
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	got them off, and ready to go in tomorrow. any ideas guys?

08-01-2005, 12:14 PM	#6
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	guess i'll just go with Advertised duration 268 degrees, duration at 0.050", cam lift 228 degrees. Lift 0.438" Cam lift at TDC 0.070" Intake centerline 109degrees ATDC. Lobe separation angle 112degrees. woul be nice f someone else knew something.

08-02-2005, 01:39 AM	#7
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	bula någon?

08-02-2005, 08:32 PM	#10
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	just got off the phone with the shop, interesting specs on stock "u" cams 236 deg durration at .050" .370" lift we're thinking of going to 250 deg durration at .050" .382" lift unless i hear otherwise, thats what it'll be.

08-03-2005, 03:33 AM	#11
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	as a fyi, one of the guys on tpc linked this on stock cam profiles to me. http://hacked.free-bsd.org/upload/image.php?bild=724

08-03-2005, 10:03 PM	#12
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	spec are above if you cant read the pic. $75 each any dohc volvo would be the same price. company is the one above or American custom cam (626) 938-0073 americancustomcam.com ask for joe tell them Aaron sent you and recieve nothing btw, they do ups/ fedex, so any of you unhelpfull yanks can use them. -Aaron

08-03-2005, 10:20 PM	#14
n xntrx volvo Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: corinth, ms / los angeles	no its only a problem when the rebuilder screws up. had to options, this was cheaper, faster, and gave me more hp.

08-25-2006, 05:01 PM	#16
qwkswede faster than you think Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Broomfield, CO	Well, with the problems I'm having right now I'm resurrecting this thread. see my other post today. Did this actually solve the problem? Did you measure the distance from the cam base circle to the valve stem and have the new grind take this into account somehow? I'm curious how much "preload" you put into the lifter when on the backside of the cam. This is great information considering my current similar situation. I don't know what my machinist was thinking. Maybe he thougt there was enough adjustment in the lifters. Or he didn't know they were hydraulic. I don't know. But I'm hoping to turn this sucky situation into something good with a re-grind. __________________ -Ken Car #1: Gone but not forgotten: 1988 740 Turbo Wagon dyno 578hp, 11.46@123mph. Car #2 1988 740 Turbo Sedan with tricks. Car #3 1967 Volvo 122S

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