240 hubcentric offsets and compatable wheels.

RedFridge · 11-30-2003, 01:57 PM

Hi People.

So many snippits of information on this subject that I thought I would try and finalize a thread and include as much information on the subject as we can for people......well, like me.

I have an 83 turbo with some cut springs. I purchased some offset spacers and would love to know all I can about compatable wheels, tires and bolt patterns.

Guess I will start with this....These are the spacers I purchased and some information from the seller.

They are 108mm pattern for Volvo, which is same
pattern as Mercedes, Audi & some others. They're 25mm
& 30mm thick and I used the 25mm on front/30mm on
rear. I used them on my 240 Turbo wagon to mount 850R
17" wheels which are front-wheel-drive wheels with all
that positive offset/backspacing. I believe all the
Volvo ft wheel drive wheels have the same positive
offset, and all the rear wheel drive cars (240 &
740/760) to have the same negative offset, but they
were specifically made for adapting the FWD wheels to
the RWD car. They use the Volvo lugnuts, but I don't
recall their thread size. They were machined from 6061
T6 aluminum and are hub-centric as Volvo wheels are.
Hope this helps you.

Lots of help for sure.

I am running 15in virgos with 205/70/15 tires.
Here is a question or 2 for you if I may?

Here is some practical information I have found. Is it true? Comments or suggestions?

From somebody else.....

I just want to provide a quick summary of 240 wheels, and some others that will fit. Basically, all 740 wheels and most ?70 and newer 1800/140 wheels should theoretically fit, although there might be problems with the brake caliper not fitting.
Most 240?s came with 14" steel wheels. ?75-?79 had a one-piece chrome hubcap that covered the lugnuts. ?80-?85?s had a similar, but two-piece chrome hubcap, with black or chrome centers. Then there was a pretty ugly plastic cover that covered almost the whole wheel, with a lot of fins on the outside rim. The later cars had a nice one-piece plastic hubcap.
As far as alloys, there were two kinds of optional 5-spoke 14x5.5" alloy wheel available for the early GL?s (GLE?s?) and Bertones that is very rare nowadays.
?78-?79 GT?s had a 14x5.5" alloy with short fins on the outer edge. They are nice-looking, but they are useless to the performance enthusiast due to their small size.
?80 GT?s and all GLT?s and Turbos had the 5-spoke 15x6" alloy that Volvo calls "Virgo". Very good looking wheel in my opinion (I have 3 sets, you can see one set on my GT), and quite common, too. These are the wheels for the performance enthusiast on a budget. A set can be picked up for about $250-350. maybe less from a junkyard. Original tire size was 195/60R15, common upgrade sizes are 205/60R15, 205/55R15, or 215/55R15.
GL?s in the late 70?s started wearing the 25-spoke 14" alloys. These wheels are pretty hard to clean, tend to loose their hubcaps, and are pretty ugly in my opinion.

K that was informative too.

More info?
Anthony Hyde...thank you

Reportably, widening the rear track on a 240 Volvo by using a set of rear spacers gives a a 2 to 3 g handling improvement on a skidpan.
Examples of spacer thicknesses to achieve a wider track:
RIM DIMENSION TIRE / TYRE SIZE OPTIMIZED SPACER THICKNESS FINAL OFFSET
Standard 15" 20 mm or ~ 25/32" 20 - 20 = 0 mm
16 X 7 with std rim offset 20 mm 205 / 50 /16 17 mm or ~ 43/64" 20 - 17 = 3 mm
16 X 7 with std rim offset 20 mm 225 / 50 /16 8 mm or 5/16" 20 - 8 = 12 mm
Notes: On a 240 with Volvo spec rims, to fit spacers over 5 mm thick, longer wheel studs are definitely required - check for full nut thread length. The 240 Volvo & SAM extended wheel bolts (studs) are available individually part #8360085. Volvo and SAM can also supply a 240 Spacer Kit #8360083 that includes 2 x 20 mm rear wheel spacers plus 10 extended wheel bolts and longer attachment screws (as required, the spacers can be machined thinner). For the 740, the SAM longer stud is #9508764 . Nearly all large Volvos use a 5 x 108 PCD stud pattern.
100-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - some 100-series wheels will not fit in front of 200-series
200-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 20mm offset.
700-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - 700-series will fit 200-series and vice versa
900-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset

On 240 & 740 models, 7x16" rims fit perfectly with 20 mm offset and will never rub. For 7 1/2" rims you need less offset say around 15-16 mm, not more. Genuine Volvo 16" rims are lighter than most alternatives, but most alternatives have more visual appeal.

What have you seen fitted on 240 that are nice looking?
Thinking about 16, 17 or 18 inch rims...What do you think?
As far as compatable volvo wheels from front wheel drives, what looks nice on a 240?

I would love a deep dish look, a 3 piece wheel, or the infamous polaris.
Keeping this simple, I would not like to roll the fender lips, or any sheetmetal work.

Some wheels I have been considering....
Polaris 7*17 Med pirelli 215-45-17?
17" X 8" Fittipaldi Polaris wheels?
OZ wheels?
18X7 Fittipaldi "Tubolare" w/ 225/40-18 Nitto NT555's?
Rondell Y-design rims (called super-dtm in sweden) they are available in 8,5x17 & 8,5x18, but they are only available in 5x108 in sweden, normally they come in 5x120 (Beemer)?
http://www.boydcoddington.com/Wheels...timeless6.html

Thank you for reading this....If there are any refutes please do.
I cut and pasted most of this from different sources.

So back to my original question....
What should I purchase? Thinking of a 3 piece deep dish.
What are the biggest rims I can fit?
What are the largest tires?
What do you have on you're car? Pic?

Any and all tire and wheel information would be helpful. Please consider my recently acquired spacer information mentioned above.

Keep a smile on....

INFORM US

klr142 · 11-12-2004, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFridge

100-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - some 100-series wheels will not fit in front of 200-series
200-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 20mm offset.
700-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - 700-series will fit 200-series and vice versa
900-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset

Keep a smile on....

INFORM US

Wassup. I dunno if I'm allowed to post in here, but I thought I'd chip in some more info. 140s and 160s came with +40mm offset wheels, I'm not sure if the 75 160 came with +40mm offset wheels or not though, being basically a 240 and all... Then there's this little tidbit of info: the 95+ 960s used the later FWD offset wheels, which would be somewhere around +40mm offset, if not exactly +40mm.

That's what I've gathered...

Peace!

Matt Dupuis · 11-13-2004, 01:59 AM

That and I've never seen an Audi or Mercedes with a 108mm circle. Audi is 4x or 5x100mm and Mercedes is I think 5x120. Ford FWD and Lincoln MkVIII used 108mm bolt circles but the hub diameter is smaller than a Volvo, and the Fords used I think 35-40mm offset for all these style wheels, though I'm not sure 'bout the Linc.

Super1800GTR · 11-13-2004, 02:14 AM

I'll test the my moms bent mercedes wheel tomorrow to see if it fits. My brother's Ford Tarus SHO's wheels fit my 1800 E (5x108) & had a +35mm offset.

Rob

klr142 · 11-13-2004, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super1800GTR

I'll test the my moms bent mercedes wheel tomorrow to see if it fits. My brother's Ford Tarus SHO's wheels fit my 1800 E (5x108) & had a +35mm offset.

Rob

Yeah, the 1800s have the +40 offset as well...

towerymt · 11-13-2004, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Dupuis

That and I've never seen an Audi or Mercedes with a 108mm circle.

Older Audi's used 4x108mm.

Quote:

...Mercedes is I think 5x120.

Some (many?) Mercedes are 5x112. BMW's use 5x120. Porsche uses 5x130.

A lot of Audi and VW have used 5x100, but I think some of the new ones might use 5x112, like perhaps the newest Passats as I recall, but I'm not so sure about this.

It was mentioned above that the FWD's used ~40 positive, and the RWD's used ~20 negative...which is incorrect. They're all positive offset.

zoomy · 04-12-2006, 12:16 PM

Hi,

I am shopping around for some wheels for my 940 turbo, and have found some nice RSL Mace wheels on ebay. They are 18x7.5 and the tires to fit are 235/40-18's. I am somewhat perplexed by the spacer requirements... other posts here indicate either 20mm or 15-16mm.

I want to get this right the first time before ordering, I don't want any fender mods, and I don't want to throw off the car's tracking geometry either!

Thanks for any input...

11-13-2004, 01:59 AM	#3
Matt Dupuis Board Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Calgary, Ab	That and I've never seen an Audi or Mercedes with a 108mm circle. Audi is 4x or 5x100mm and Mercedes is I think 5x120. Ford FWD and Lincoln MkVIII used 108mm bolt circles but the hub diameter is smaller than a Volvo, and the Fords used I think 35-40mm offset for all these style wheels, though I'm not sure 'bout the Linc. Last edited by Matt Dupuis; 06-13-2006 at 09:45 AM..

11-13-2004, 02:14 AM	#4
Super1800GTR Board Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lanesville IN	I'll test the my moms bent mercedes wheel tomorrow to see if it fits. My brother's Ford Tarus SHO's wheels fit my 1800 E (5x108) & had a +35mm offset. Rob __________________ http://www.pbase.com/242ti/root

04-12-2006, 12:16 PM	#7
zoomy Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006	940 Turbo Wheel upgrade Hi, I am shopping around for some wheels for my 940 turbo, and have found some nice RSL Mace wheels on ebay. They are 18x7.5 and the tires to fit are 235/40-18's. I am somewhat perplexed by the spacer requirements... other posts here indicate either 20mm or 15-16mm. I want to get this right the first time before ordering, I don't want any fender mods, and I don't want to throw off the car's tracking geometry either! Thanks for any input...

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11-30-2003, 01:57 PM	#1
RedFridge Board Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland Oregon	Hi People. So many snippits of information on this subject that I thought I would try and finalize a thread and include as much information on the subject as we can for people......well, like me. I have an 83 turbo with some cut springs. I purchased some offset spacers and would love to know all I can about compatable wheels, tires and bolt patterns. Guess I will start with this....These are the spacers I purchased and some information from the seller. They are 108mm pattern for Volvo, which is same pattern as Mercedes, Audi & some others. They're 25mm & 30mm thick and I used the 25mm on front/30mm on rear. I used them on my 240 Turbo wagon to mount 850R 17" wheels which are front-wheel-drive wheels with all that positive offset/backspacing. I believe all the Volvo ft wheel drive wheels have the same positive offset, and all the rear wheel drive cars (240 & 740/760) to have the same negative offset, but they were specifically made for adapting the FWD wheels to the RWD car. They use the Volvo lugnuts, but I don't recall their thread size. They were machined from 6061 T6 aluminum and are hub-centric as Volvo wheels are. Hope this helps you. Lots of help for sure. I am running 15in virgos with 205/70/15 tires. Here is a question or 2 for you if I may? Here is some practical information I have found. Is it true? Comments or suggestions? From somebody else..... I just want to provide a quick summary of 240 wheels, and some others that will fit. Basically, all 740 wheels and most ?70 and newer 1800/140 wheels should theoretically fit, although there might be problems with the brake caliper not fitting. Most 240?s came with 14" steel wheels. ?75-?79 had a one-piece chrome hubcap that covered the lugnuts. ?80-?85?s had a similar, but two-piece chrome hubcap, with black or chrome centers. Then there was a pretty ugly plastic cover that covered almost the whole wheel, with a lot of fins on the outside rim. The later cars had a nice one-piece plastic hubcap. As far as alloys, there were two kinds of optional 5-spoke 14x5.5" alloy wheel available for the early GL?s (GLE?s?) and Bertones that is very rare nowadays. ?78-?79 GT?s had a 14x5.5" alloy with short fins on the outer edge. They are nice-looking, but they are useless to the performance enthusiast due to their small size. ?80 GT?s and all GLT?s and Turbos had the 5-spoke 15x6" alloy that Volvo calls "Virgo". Very good looking wheel in my opinion (I have 3 sets, you can see one set on my GT), and quite common, too. These are the wheels for the performance enthusiast on a budget. A set can be picked up for about $250-350. maybe less from a junkyard. Original tire size was 195/60R15, common upgrade sizes are 205/60R15, 205/55R15, or 215/55R15. GL?s in the late 70?s started wearing the 25-spoke 14" alloys. These wheels are pretty hard to clean, tend to loose their hubcaps, and are pretty ugly in my opinion. K that was informative too. More info? Anthony Hyde...thank you Reportably, widening the rear track on a 240 Volvo by using a set of rear spacers gives a a 2 to 3 g handling improvement on a skidpan. Examples of spacer thicknesses to achieve a wider track: RIM DIMENSION TIRE / TYRE SIZE OPTIMIZED SPACER THICKNESS FINAL OFFSET Standard 15" 20 mm or ~ 25/32" 20 - 20 = 0 mm 16 X 7 with std rim offset 20 mm 205 / 50 /16 17 mm or ~ 43/64" 20 - 17 = 3 mm 16 X 7 with std rim offset 20 mm 225 / 50 /16 8 mm or 5/16" 20 - 8 = 12 mm Notes: On a 240 with Volvo spec rims, to fit spacers over 5 mm thick, longer wheel studs are definitely required - check for full nut thread length. The 240 Volvo & SAM extended wheel bolts (studs) are available individually part #8360085. Volvo and SAM can also supply a 240 Spacer Kit #8360083 that includes 2 x 20 mm rear wheel spacers plus 10 extended wheel bolts and longer attachment screws (as required, the spacers can be machined thinner). For the 740, the SAM longer stud is #9508764 . Nearly all large Volvos use a 5 x 108 PCD stud pattern. 100-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - some 100-series wheels will not fit in front of 200-series 200-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 20mm offset. 700-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset. - 700-series will fit 200-series and vice versa 900-series : 5 holes, 108mm bolt circle and 25mm offset On 240 & 740 models, 7x16" rims fit perfectly with 20 mm offset and will never rub. For 7 1/2" rims you need less offset say around 15-16 mm, not more. Genuine Volvo 16" rims are lighter than most alternatives, but most alternatives have more visual appeal. What have you seen fitted on 240 that are nice looking? Thinking about 16, 17 or 18 inch rims...What do you think? As far as compatable volvo wheels from front wheel drives, what looks nice on a 240? I would love a deep dish look, a 3 piece wheel, or the infamous polaris. Keeping this simple, I would not like to roll the fender lips, or any sheetmetal work. Some wheels I have been considering.... Polaris 7*17 Med pirelli 215-45-17? 17" X 8" Fittipaldi Polaris wheels? OZ wheels? 18X7 Fittipaldi "Tubolare" w/ 225/40-18 Nitto NT555's? Rondell Y-design rims (called super-dtm in sweden) they are available in 8,5x17 & 8,5x18, but they are only available in 5x108 in sweden, normally they come in 5x120 (Beemer)? http://www.boydcoddington.com/Wheels...timeless6.html Thank you for reading this....If there are any refutes please do. I cut and pasted most of this from different sources. So back to my original question.... What should I purchase? Thinking of a 3 piece deep dish. What are the biggest rims I can fit? What are the largest tires? What do you have on you're car? Pic? Any and all tire and wheel information would be helpful. Please consider my recently acquired spacer information mentioned above. Keep a smile on.... INFORM US