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Old 04-21-2006, 01:45 AM   #1
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It's going to be nuts. Pat's taking my car to work tomorrow because he gets out of work at 2, while I stay until 5, so he can get a head start on things. We're swapping front subframes, and that's just the small part. During this, we're installing the oil pan, poly control arm bushings for the front, poly torque rod bushings in the rear, new springs(only 2 coils cut from the front, and 2 coils from WAGON rear springs in the back), new ball joints, new tie rod ends, different steering rack, new motor mounts, new tranny mounts, new strut mounts, SS brake lines, and a crank scraper. It might not sound like too much, but we're going to have to swap stuff from one subframe to the other, and all the installation of the other stuff, it's going to be a while. Oye. Then also some hammer "surgery" on the rear fenders to make way for 235/45-17 rubber.

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No, I didn't do the welding... That's an O2 bung btw, anyone think that'll work pretty well? I sure hope so!

Bigger pictures here:
http://www.ovtuners.org/gallery/MY244?page=3

I'll get some more pictures tomorrow of the progress.

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Old 04-21-2006, 01:47 AM   #2
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Looks like fun! Good Luck
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Old 04-21-2006, 01:57 AM   #3
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Good Job with the oil pan bung.

What benefit is the crank scraper??
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:00 AM   #4
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wtf is a crank scraper.....and why do you need such wide tires, are you goin turbo?
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:07 AM   #5
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wtf is a crank scraper.....and why do you need such wide tires, are you goin turbo?
1. 235s are skinny.
2. No, he just put that bung in his oil pan for ****s and giggles.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:11 AM   #6
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1. 235s are skinny.
2. No, he just put that bung in his oil pan for ****s and giggles.
[Butthead] huhu, he said bung [/Butthead]

I do like that. I will be copying this next week.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:29 AM   #7
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1. 235s are skinny.
2. No, he just put that bung in his oil pan for ****s and giggles.


Like I explained on AIM, the tires are going to CURRENTLY be for handling and braking improvements. Massive improvements. Not to mention the BLING! factor.

Now to find a plug for it. Maybe just an old O2 sensor!? We'll see tomorrow. I'll look through what we have at work to plug it with.

YLD244, the crank scraper is one of those many little things you can do to your engine that give you a .001% improvement, that can add up to be a .01% improvement if you do enough things. I'm hoping for more than just that much of an improvement, but we shall see. It might also help keep more oil in the pan while going around long hard sweepers, instead of letting it ride up the side of the block. The scraper's main purpose is to reduce the oil "windage" that spins around the crank.

Now, if only I knew what all those little screws/nuts are for on the scraper...
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:39 AM   #8
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Now to find a plug for it. Maybe just an old O2 sensor!? We'll see tomorrow. I'll look through what we have at work to plug it with.
Most places like NAPA sell a plug like this:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=251&page=1

Autozone has this kit locally for ~5 dollars. My exhaust shop gives them away (the plug part).
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:44 AM   #9
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Oooh. Sweet! Thanks man! I'll have to check into that tomorrow...
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Old 04-21-2006, 03:37 AM   #10
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I hope that oil return is high enough.
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Old 04-21-2006, 03:56 AM   #11
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why such a random ass thread size? 18x1.5 i think, seems like a good AN fitting or even NPT fitting would have made tons more sense, but whatever floats your boat.


good luck on the work, im hoping i get the chance soon to say i have all that to do...
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:39 AM   #12
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the oil pan looks really nice...I'm sure the fitting is high enough as my fitting is about the same height and i have no problems
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Old 04-21-2006, 09:14 AM   #13
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Now, if only I knew what all those little screws/nuts are for on the scraper...
I posted this in someone else's earlier thread about the crank scrapers. The extra nuts and threaded posts are for the attachment of a windage tray (which has yet to be designed for the redblock). Leave them on, make sure they're snug. If you remove the nuts there is a slight chance that the threaded posts that are pressed into the scraper could fall out into the pan. Don't want that.
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Old 04-21-2006, 10:55 AM   #14
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why such a random ass thread size? 18x1.5 i think, seems like a good AN fitting or even NPT fitting would have made tons more sense, but whatever floats your boat.
Because it is what we had to work with without me going somewhere and ordering something specific, and cheap. He just had them in his shop, so because of it's size, we figured it's good nuff. It's 14x1.25 I think(nvm, I don't think that), but we can just get an adapter to use an AN fitting(should be able to anyway, make that, BETTER be able to).

Alex, that should be more than high enough. You can't really make it ANY higher than that without getting into the curvature of the top of the pan where it flattens out for bolting onto the block. Not only that, but you wouldn't be able to get in between there to weld at the top... John(the Aspirator) and others have had ones lower than this without problems. So, I better be damn good.

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I posted this in someone else's earlier thread about the crank scrapers. The extra nuts and threaded posts are for the attachment of a windage tray (which has yet to be designed for the redblock). Leave them on, make sure they're snug. If you remove the nuts there is a slight chance that the threaded posts that are pressed into the scraper could fall out into the pan. Don't want that.
Thanks for the heads up Paul, much appreciated, I think I do remember you posting that. Should I screw them the rest of the way up the posts? Or just leave them as they are, as long as the threads are fully into the locking material of the nuts?
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Should I screw them the rest of the way up the posts? Or just leave them as they are, as long as the threads are fully into the locking material of the nuts?
I screwed mine down tight and threw some penetrating thread locker on them. Do whatever allows you to sleep well at night.
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Old 04-21-2006, 12:33 PM   #16
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I hate to be the guy to say it after all that work, but an O2 sensor really shouldn't be mounted with that level of exposure to oil, nevermind the fact that it'll be subject to hardly any exhaust gases.

That said, nice work on making it professional. I like how it'll probably actually work.
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Old 04-21-2006, 12:42 PM   #17
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That said, nice work on making it professional.
+1 nice looking welds. I wish mine looked like that.

The return will be just fine. My bung is another inch and a half lower than that... in fact, it's below the leve of oil in the pan. That being said, I have never had any smoking problems in over a year using it.

The way you have it set up, the oil drains on top of the baffle which will then drain back into the pan. The level of he oil in the pan itself is just about at the bottom portion of the baffle, so you've chosen the best place in the pan to put the return. It'll work just fine.

kudos on some nice work.

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I might stop by the V shop after work today and see how things are going for ya. maybe even lend a hand. -slobodan
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[Butthead] huhu, he said bung [/Butthead]

I do like that. I will be copying this next week.
Kyle needs TP for his bunghole! DO NOT MAKE HIS BUNGHOLE ANGRY!
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I screwed mine down tight and threw some penetrating thread locker on them. Do whatever allows you to sleep well at night.
Right on. For sealing, did you just use RTV between the scraper and the block? And then a regular gasket between the pan and the scraper? Did you let the scraper solidify up and in place before you put the pan on? Pat was considering just doing both things at once, with gaskets on both sides, AND RTV...

(currently taking a break from cleaning and painting things, reassembly takes place tomorrow)
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I hate to be the guy to say it after all that work, but an O2 sensor really shouldn't be mounted with that level of exposure to oil, nevermind the fact that it'll be subject to hardly any exhaust gases.

That said, nice work on making it professional. I like how it'll probably actually work.
Oh yeah, I'm definitely not using an old O2 sensor. I guess there are nice plugs out there for me, so I'll be going that way, provided I can find one tomorrow morning.

And, yes, I'd like to do most everything on this car right, but there are some things I have to compromise with, like my current exhaust... :-\
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+1 nice looking welds. I wish mine looked like that.

The return will be just fine. My bung is another inch and a half lower than that... in fact, it's below the leve of oil in the pan. That being said, I have never had any smoking problems in over a year using it.

The way you have it set up, the oil drains on top of the baffle which will then drain back into the pan. The level of he oil in the pan itself is just about at the bottom portion of the baffle, so you've chosen the best place in the pan to put the return. It'll work just fine.

kudos on some nice work.

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Thanks for the confirmation on the drain, I was hoping to make it as good as possible in this type of situation, I think it came out well too.
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Old 04-22-2006, 01:18 PM   #22
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Progress is being made...




Yes, it's sideways, shoot me.


These pictures remind me of a meathouse where all the meat is hanging...


Damn Volvo and getting their undercoating EVERYWHERE! Grrr, what a PITA!


Don't look! I don't have my undercarriage on!






The goodies...

More pics tonight.

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Old 04-22-2006, 01:46 PM   #23
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Man Kyle, it's gonna be a completely different riding experience!
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Right on. For sealing, did you just use RTV between the scraper and the block? And then a regular gasket between the pan and the scraper? Did you let the scraper solidify up and in place before you put the pan on? Pat was considering just doing both things at once, with gaskets on both sides, AND RTV...
Yes, on all counts. RTV between block and scraper, gasket between scraper and pan. Don't use 2 gaskets. I let the RTV set up a little bit before I put the pan and gasket on. Right before you put the pan on, don't forget to rotate the engine a last few times to check all of the clearances.
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Old 04-22-2006, 05:44 PM   #25
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That looks great!!

I recognize that shop!!
After hours work....loving it.
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