t-5 weight

impulse922 · 11-14-2006, 10:18 PM

how much does a t-5(think fwd volvo) weigh?

Captain Bondo · 11-14-2006, 10:26 PM

All of the specs are here:
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Volvo_Books/engine3.html

marchul · 11-14-2006, 10:26 PM

What kind? Like a 850/s70 or the P2 chassis models?

impulse922 · 11-14-2006, 10:26 PM

850, there is a 94' (i think) turbo at the local yards with 136k for 150 or so $ , and the engine hasn't been molested like all the cars at pnp's are
thanks kenny
Edit: hmm i always that b230s were heavier than the 5cyls

marchul · 11-14-2006, 10:32 PM

850 engine is the b5234ft

impulse922 · 11-14-2006, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marchul

850 engine is the b5234ft

figured it out, thanks

Captain Bondo · 11-14-2006, 11:21 PM

FWIW I can't imagine the weight varying much (maybe 25lb tops?) between different chassis seeing as the basic engine is the same and they pretty much all had AC and PS etc....

And yeah there certainly isn't any weight to be saved via 5cyl whiteblock. I think maybe the extra cylinder is what does it (ie if you had a 2.3l S40 engine you'd have a better comparison).
IE:
B30 has a cast iron head so the comparison isn't quite the same, but if you consider that a B6304f is 45lb lighter including the fact that it's a twin cam, the whiteblocks do start to look better, but comparing the 5cyl to the 4cyl ends up a bit misleading. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

impulse922 · 11-14-2006, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bondo

FWIW I can't imagine the weight varying much (maybe 25lb tops?) between different chassis seeing as the basic engine is the same and they pretty much all had AC and PS etc....

And yeah there certainly isn't any weight to be saved via 5cyl whiteblock. I think maybe the extra cylinder is what does it (ie if you had a 2.3l S40 engine you'd have a better comparison).
IE:
B30 has a cast iron head so the comparison isn't quite the same, but if you consider that a B6304f is 45lb lighter including the fact that it's a twin cam, the whiteblocks do start to look better, but comparing the 5cyl to the 4cyl ends up a bit misleading. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

arent the whiteblocks aluminum though?

Captain Bondo · 11-14-2006, 11:36 PM

Right, and that's why an all-aluminum 3.0L, 6 cylinder whiteblock with 24 valves and 2 cams is still 45lb lighter that an all-iron 3.0L 6 cylinder redblock with only 12 valves and 1 cam.

That is an apples-to-apples comparison imo, in that the number of cylinders is the same.

As soon as you add a cylinder, you add an extra piston and rod, crank journal, valvetrain, etc., so you lose some of what you've gained from the aluminum block (which I wouldn't say is all that much to begin with as the block itself is a more elaborate casting.)

It's a shame the S40 motor weight isn't there as I think it'd be a better comparison.

Dunno if that makes sense....

impulse922 · 11-14-2006, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bondo

Right, and that's why an all-aluminum 3.0L, 6 cylinder whiteblock with 24 valves and 2 cams is still 45lb lighter that an all-iron 3.0L 6 cylinder redblock with only 12 valves and 1 cam.

That is an apples-to-apples comparison imo, in that the number of cylinders is the same.

As soon as you add a cylinder, you add an extra piston and rod, crank journal, valvetrain, etc., so you lose some of what you've gained from the aluminum block (which I wouldn't say is all that much to begin with as the block itself is a more elaborate casting.)

It's a shame the S40 motor weight isn't there as I think it'd be a better comparison.

Dunno if that makes sense....

i understand you 100% now

Hank Scorpio · 11-15-2006, 12:13 AM

Im a little amazed how much heavier the whiteblocks are.

impulse922 · 11-15-2006, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio

Im a little amazed how much heavier the whiteblocks are.

makes two of us, now answer my pm!

Captain Bondo · 11-15-2006, 12:25 AM

Ya it's weird, I am and then I'm not, on one hand they are so high tech and the aluminum helps but on the other hand they are such beasts.

I have probably had that behemoth in and out of the wagon about 20 frickin' times adjusting this and that and fabricating the mounts..

..and when it's up in the air you can tell just by how the hoist is that it's got some serious mass to it. hee hee hee.

I can't imagine what it'll be like w/ turbo and manifold... I don't think I'd try to put the motor in with that stuff attached... but I digress. Sorry for the OT.

Hank Scorpio · 11-15-2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bondo

Ya it's weird, I am and then I'm not, on one hand they are so high tech and the aluminum helps but on the other hand they are such beasts.

I have probably had that behemoth in and out of the wagon about 20 frickin' times adjusting this and that and fabricating the mounts..

..and when it's up in the air you can tell just by how the hoist is that it's got some serious mass to it. hee hee hee.

I can't imagine what it'll be like w/ turbo and manifold... I don't think I'd try to put the motor in with that stuff attached... but I digress. Sorry for the OT.

absolutely. When I had mine up on the hoist it made the same groans it did with a b23ft on it lol

burgandybrick · 11-15-2006, 12:45 AM

i lifted a bare b230 block onto the mounts in my car the other day and i thought my back was gonna implode

impulse922 · 11-15-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by burgandybrick

i lifted a bare b230 block onto the mounts in my car the other day and i thought my back was gonna implode

that reminds me, where's morely been lately, dont think i've seen him post in a few days

(he did the same thing with a b23)

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11-14-2006, 10:26 PM	#4
impulse922 Board Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS	850, there is a 94' (i think) turbo at the local yards with 136k for 150 or so $ , and the engine hasn't been molested like all the cars at pnp's are thanks kenny Edit: hmm i always that b230s were heavier than the 5cyls

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marchul quarter ricer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX	850 engine is the b5234ft

11-14-2006, 11:21 PM	#7
Captain Bondo Exklusiv Zubehör Klub Join Date: Sep 2002	FWIW I can't imagine the weight varying much (maybe 25lb tops?) between different chassis seeing as the basic engine is the same and they pretty much all had AC and PS etc.... And yeah there certainly isn't any weight to be saved via 5cyl whiteblock. I think maybe the extra cylinder is what does it (ie if you had a 2.3l S40 engine you'd have a better comparison). IE: B30 has a cast iron head so the comparison isn't quite the same, but if you consider that a B6304f is 45lb lighter including the fact that it's a twin cam, the whiteblocks do start to look better, but comparing the 5cyl to the 4cyl ends up a bit misleading. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

11-14-2006, 11:36 PM	#9
Captain Bondo Exklusiv Zubehör Klub Join Date: Sep 2002	Right, and that's why an all-aluminum 3.0L, 6 cylinder whiteblock with 24 valves and 2 cams is still 45lb lighter that an all-iron 3.0L 6 cylinder redblock with only 12 valves and 1 cam. That is an apples-to-apples comparison imo, in that the number of cylinders is the same. As soon as you add a cylinder, you add an extra piston and rod, crank journal, valvetrain, etc., so you lose some of what you've gained from the aluminum block (which I wouldn't say is all that much to begin with as the block itself is a more elaborate casting.) It's a shame the S40 motor weight isn't there as I think it'd be a better comparison. Dunno if that makes sense....

11-15-2006, 12:25 AM	#13
Captain Bondo Exklusiv Zubehör Klub Join Date: Sep 2002	Ya it's weird, I am and then I'm not, on one hand they are so high tech and the aluminum helps but on the other hand they are such beasts. I have probably had that behemoth in and out of the wagon about 20 frickin' times adjusting this and that and fabricating the mounts.. ..and when it's up in the air you can tell just by how the hoist is that it's got some serious mass to it. hee hee hee. I can't imagine what it'll be like w/ turbo and manifold... I don't think I'd try to put the motor in with that stuff attached... but I digress. Sorry for the OT.