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KIX912 03-14-2021 10:16 PM

Bertone 262 mods
 
I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?
2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?
3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.
4. Can suspension be lowered ?
5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?
Thanks for the help.
Kix

Redwood Chair 03-14-2021 10:36 PM

I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?

Yes but it ain't TB˘heap.


2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?

Yes. It is after all a 240 with a bastard PRV motor.


3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap.

4. Can suspension be lowered ?

Anything can be lowered with a $14.99 HF angle grinder.


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5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?

Yes but the filler trim has a completely different pattern of holes for anchorage.

KIX912 03-14-2021 10:52 PM

"3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap."

So I would have to get a 5 speed manual from an older 262 ?

Redwood Chair 03-14-2021 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIX912 (Post 6167217)
"3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap."

So I would have to get a 5 speed manual from an older 262 ?

:nod:

Good luck with that the clutch pedal is worth more than the PRV / M46 bell housing or transmission.

:lol:

KIX912 03-14-2021 11:42 PM

Are the pedals not the same as the 240 models?

HiSPL 03-14-2021 11:44 PM

The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock, or swap it with a drivetrain you like. The PRV is kind of a bastard child. Have they been used in race cars? Yes. Do they deserve their reputation? Also yes.


An LS with a 6 speed would fit. As would a redblock set up. Or go crazy and K swap it with a CD009.

Redwood Chair 03-14-2021 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIX912 (Post 6167224)
Are the pedals not the same as the 240 models?

Yes they are not.

KIX912 03-14-2021 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSPL (Post 6167226)
The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock, or swap it with a drivetrain you like. The PRV is kind of a bastard child. Have they been used in race cars? Yes. Do they deserve their reputation? Also yes.


An LS with a 6 speed would fit. As would a redblock set up. Or go crazy and K swap it with a CD009.

I understand but I would only swap in another Volvo engine. Any idea who made the correct 4 Speed OD transmission?

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:03 AM

Back in the day the most common swap was a B21FT out of a wrecked 240T since they're both K-jet cars.

Park the cars side by side and move everything in the engine bay over then do the pedal box.

Anymore the 26x's & 240T's are both rare bears and thin on the ground.

fatcatbestcat 03-15-2021 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSPL (Post 6167226)
The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock.

+1

You're going to spend the car's value over trying to make more power with a PRV.

Someone on the TB discord has a 262 that was swapped to a B230, but I wouldn't expect that to be a 'cost effective' swap.

Also, if you're going to hack up a Volvo for speed, don't hack a 262. Get yourself a $20 245 or maybe a 700 and spend your entire college fund on LS swap parts.

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatcatbestcat (Post 6167236)
+1

You're going to spend the car's value over trying to make more power with a PRV.

Someone on the TB discord has a 262 that was swapped to a B230, but I wouldn't expect that to be a 'cost effective' swap.

Also, if you're going to hack up a Volvo for speed, don't hack a 262. Get yourself a $20 245 or maybe a 700 and spend your entire college fund on LS swap parts.

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fatcatbestcat 03-15-2021 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood Chair (Post 6167238)

I once was a newbie on this forum, trying to make power with antiquated Volvo engines without bankrupting myself.

It's probably not possible unless you start with something decent.

Or an LS.

Bready 03-15-2021 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIX912 (Post 6167214)
I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?
2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?
3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.
4. Can suspension be lowered ?
5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?
Thanks for the help.
Kix

#4 - IPD used to sell a lowering kit that works for the 262 not sure if that is different than the 240 kit, and if so if it is still available.

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatcatbestcat (Post 6167239)
I once was a newbie on this forum, trying to make power with antiquated Volvo engines without bankrupting myself.

It's probably not possible unless you start with something decent.

Or an LS.

To be fair the B21FT swap wasn't any more powerful than the PRV but usually it was done on cars with a PRV that had already given up the ghost so the chop top abomination lived on.

:e-shrug:

<--- & NB4 John Lane with the bank busting PRV Flavor-aid.

KIX912 03-15-2021 12:27 AM

You are all correct it seems messing with the PRV is a waste of money. I rather tune properly and keep the stock engine. However, I think a 4 speed OD would be
awesome. Donor could be a 260 series. I understand the PRV on the 260 series is known as the B28E.

P.S I may sound like a rookie with the 262 but I have restored a P1800E and a 240GL so I now a bit of volvo.

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:34 AM

Whelp yea like I said good luck finding those parts or a parts car since 95%+ of them were autos, and the PRV's usually suffered a horrible dino oil related death right around 100-120K miles, or 1990-2000 which was 20 years ago now...

KIX912 03-15-2021 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood Chair (Post 6167249)
Whelp yea like I said good luck finding those parts or a parts car since 95%+ of them were autos, and the PRV's usually suffered a horrible dino oil related death right around 100-120K miles, or 1990-2000 which was 20 years ago now...

Oh...my is this something I need to check with the potential car? What are the symptoms?
Cylinder failure?

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:50 AM

Something something top end oil starvation Peugeot Renault Volvo turd go BOOM!

Of course they fixed it on the later 6cyl engines but the damage to the 6cyl's reputation was done.

KIX912 03-15-2021 12:53 AM

Well this is a later 80´s hope its ok but will check thoroughly

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIX912 (Post 6167245)
You are all correct it seems messing with the PRV is a waste of money. I rather tune properly and keep the stock engine. However, I think a 4 speed OD would be
awesome. Donor could be a 260 series. I understand the PRV on the 260 series is known as the B28E.

P.S I may sound like a rookie with the 262 but I have restored a P1800E and a 240GL so I now a bit of volvo.

So an 1800 guy huh?

A little bit odd but now you want to become a full blown PRVert too?

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:-P

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 12:59 AM

Six-cylinder PRV
The 260 models had a completely new 90-degree V6 B27E engine, sometimes called the "Douvrin".[8][20] This engine was developed jointly by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo in collaboration, and is therefore generally known as the "PRV engine". This engine was unusual at the time, being composed of many small parts in a modular design (as opposed to a monolithic engine block and head). The B27E engine has a displacement of 2,664 cc, an aluminium alloy block, and wet cylinder liners. This engine produces 140 bhp (100 kW) for both the 264DL and 264GL. In fuel-injected form, the B27F was introduced to the US in the 1976 260 series. The two-door 262 DL and GL sedans, the 264DL saloon (sedan) and the new 265DL estate (station wagon) were offered outside North America with the B27A engine. Almost identical to the fuel-injected V6 B27E engine, it has an SU carburettor instead of fuel injection, and therefore it produces a lower output of 125 PS (92 kW). The PRV engine (B27E in 1980, B28E 1981–1984) was also used in 244/245 GLT6 on several markets as an option until 1984.

Volvo increased engine displacement to 2.8 litres in 1980 with the introduction of the B28E and B28F, which were prone to top-end oiling troubles and premature camshaft wear. Some export markets also received the lower output carburetted B28A engine with 129 PS (95 kW) at 5,250 rpm, capable of running on lower-octane fuel.[21] Volvo also installed the B28 V6 in their new 760 model and the engine was used by numerous other manufacturers in the 1970s and 1980s. The updated B280 engine used in the final years of the 760 and 780 models did not suffer from the same premature camshaft wear as the earlier PRV engines. In North America, the 260 series was only available with a three-speed automatic transmission or a five-speed manual transmission with electronic overdrive and the engine produces 130 hp (97 kW).[22]

KIX912 03-15-2021 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood Chair (Post 6167257)
So an 1800 guy huh?

A little bit odd but now you want to become a full blown PRVert too?


:-P

I have soft spot in my heart for volvo bricks. My mom owned a 240 during my teens and
I still recall how I loved to drive it. Its part nostalgia I guess. Let's hope the 262 is restorable.

If I can continue to abuse of your knowledge, what code would a B28E 4 speed OD tranny be?

Thnx

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 01:05 AM

The transmission codes haven't been integrated into the VINs since 140s.

Short of pulling the build sheet from Corporate Volvo :lol: there's no way to know.

KIX912 03-15-2021 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood Chair (Post 6167260)
The transmission codes haven't been integrated into the VINs since 140s.

Short of pulling the build sheet from Corporate Volvo :lol: there's no way to know.

You mean that the 260 (PRV)(B28E) 4 speed OD does not have a name/factory code ?

Redwood Chair 03-15-2021 01:14 AM

Yes there is an engine code but nothing for the transmission in the VIN as I have already stated..


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