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View Poll Results: Will you go to the new show? (no tire-kickers)
Yes, I will go. (including new attendees) 3 30.00%
Maybe 5 50.00%
No, I will not go. (veterans and people seriously considering going, prior to merge) 2 20.00%
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:34 PM   #26
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I'm fairly certain everyone is making this a bigger deal than it is.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:11 PM   #27
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I'm fairly certain everyone is making this a bigger deal than it is.
People always get like this when things change.
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Old 10-12-2015, 03:05 PM   #28
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I don't think it's going to change it much, I'd rather see the shens be officially organized than have people doing donuts on the showfield in the middle of the afternoon, etc.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:40 PM   #29
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The organizers claim that they have the shens under control from the "tuner crowd." They are planning to have the atmosphere stay more mellow during the day and allow the controlled chaos events happen during the evening hours. And they note that they got rid of the "DB Drags" (car stereo contest).
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:20 PM   #30
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I think I will give it a chance.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:53 PM   #31
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I'm fairly certain everyone is making this a bigger deal than it is.
Nope. I've been teaching a decent percentage of these "tuners" for 20 years.
H2oi has some good stuff, but it's mostly re-re's driving clones.

I'll have a gathering the week before, on the new date of the Horn Point fly-in.
The carlisle weekend I'll go to the Ocean City cruise.
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:29 PM   #32
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Hmmm maybe the car culture is dying and the imports may feel it first?
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:31 AM   #33
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What's a "shen"?
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:34 AM   #34
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:25 AM   #35
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People always get like this when things change.
To varying extents, yes, some people do.

However, I feel pretty comfortable saying that more than just a vocal minority do not have their collective fancy tickled by the performance and style agenda laid out by the Carlisle folks.

I love me some burnouts and stupidity (in a safe-ish environment), but really just want to get my bermuda shorts/plaid shirt and Hemmings ballcap on when I'm at the Carlisle import show.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:12 AM   #36
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For those who are worried about P&S, Ken has comepletely and utterly revamped that show and everything which represents it. I'd suggest looking at some of the cars which have attended over the last 2 or 3 years, get some newer information than Jalopnik articles from 2008.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:08 PM   #37
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I'm fairly certain everyone is making this a bigger deal than it is.
i dunno, man...i think scrapple really IS that gross
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i dunno, man...i think scrapple really IS that gross
Gross because of whats in it or gross because you think it taste gross? Its like a party in my mouth man
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Old 10-14-2015, 09:47 PM   #41
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Depends on what date they use. It always conflicts with the hot rod event in ocean city md, and the antique fly0in in cambridge.
I want to do those more than I want to see idiot import shens.

I'll host a mega scrapple meet with a shop day and possibly Delaware drag day that weekend if there is interest.
I just missed "Apple Scrapple" this past weekend bc family was down from NY. A local meet would be awesome somewhere around here .........too bad about Carlisle though, one of the few events during the year I am willing to take a couple days off of work for! Always find awesome parts too, which is the worst part of this, bc who knows what the hell vendors will show up next year!
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Old 10-17-2015, 06:07 PM   #42
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I suspect a sh1tshow, at least for the first year because of the change itself and people being dicks. I'll go for the first year, for sure, as long as I can make it. If it sucks, I'll probably still give the second year a shot to see if things wind down. Hell, it's a few bucks extra on top of a small road trip. And there's plenty of other sh1t to see out that way, if you like things that get you away from city crap.
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:18 AM   #43
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My main thing is if they scrap the camping aspect of the show I'm out. Nothing was better than 2007 Carlisle when Volvo took over the show, it was so cool.

But yeah I'm sure the 1st year doing this again will bring some issues arise. 2nd year might have things more fine tuned. Eh time will tell
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Old 10-18-2015, 03:44 AM   #44
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This actually makes me wanna go again.
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Without the camping aspect, I feel like it would suck. I'm too close to not go though. /shrug
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Old 10-19-2015, 05:33 AM   #46
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For everyone saying that they've been trying to minimize camping recently - how so? I've only been going for the past 3 years, so I haven't noticed a difference. Seems like, safety-wise, it's safer to have people stay on the premises, what, with all the alcohol consumed throughout the day. Have they been discouraging camping?
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For everyone saying that they've been trying to minimize camping recently - how so? I've only been going for the past 3 years, so I haven't noticed a difference. Seems like, safety-wise, it's safer to have people stay on the premises, what, with all the alcohol consumed throughout the day. Have they been discouraging camping?
Since I've been going (8 years now) the camping area has be decreased by about 2/3s. We used to get all the way to the autocross tent and up the hill but they've been decreasing it and turning it into spectator parking for years now. One year we showed up on Friday afternoon and the small fenced off camping area that was previously the RV area was the only designated tent camping area. They had the rest set aside as overflow parking. Overflow parking for a show with an attendance that is supposedly dropping. Overflow parking that wasn't apparently needed previously when the show was more popular. That fenced in camping area was already 90% full of RVs and some tents too. We would purposely camp away from the RVs so we wouldn't have to hear and smell their generators all weekend, and now they were forcing us into a tiny area like sardines. We protested the change and told them we would never all fit and they let us set up on the grass where we had been for years (because we basically already did), but they didn't like it and were jerks to us the entire weekend. Never emptied the trashcans and were constantly giving us dirty looks when we came and went. The next year they had some non-fenced in grass set aside along with the fenced in area but we still ended up pretty packed in because of how many people camp, and every year now the proceed to park "overflow" daily spectator cars right on top of us.

On top of that, the "overflow" parking never fills up all the way so there is always open grass at the top of the hill, where if they started the spectator parking at the top of the hill, we'd end up with some open grass between us and 200 cars coming and going all weekend. As it is every year now, I have to worry about my stuff getting stolen or run over all weekend by spectators. The first few years I went none of that was an issue and attendance was supposedly higher. So if the attendance is dropping, why do they need the overflow spectator parking on what used to be the camping area? To push us out, that's why. I've even noticed that they park cars in with the camping first lately instead of the huge parking area over by the vendors. On Saturday afternoon last year the vendor side parking was about 3/4s full and we had spectator cars on top of us for what really felt like no good reason at all. It certainly feels like they've been pushing out campers for awhile now, and areas around the camping that used to be set aside for show cars and motorcycles and were usually mostly empty at earlier shows are now considered parking and fill up quickly. Again, why more parking for a show that's been supposedly in decline??

I'll say it again. I'm not going next year. The Saab and Audi guys have been talking about bailing completely too and finding somewhere else to go. They split the two shows 15 years ago for a reason and they'll quickly realize that undoing it was a bad idea. And maybe the should think about their entry fees. Attendance felt like it declined when they practically doubled the fee to enter your car and camp for the weekend a few years ago. I understand that it's the price of doing business sometimes and prices need to be increased every once in awhile, but when it's already a financial strain for attendees when the economy isn't great, you'd think they'd give us a little more for our money instead of the same old or worse like we've been seeing. Maybe they shouldn't complain about attendance decline when they brought it upon themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was on purpose to decrease attendance so they could have an excuse to bring in a different show on the old weekends of the other shows or some other political BS.
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:54 PM   #48
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I live and work in Carlisle. The Import show is the smallest event held through the season... and the season runs Spring through Fall with 2-3 events per month.
What has become close and dear to Tb-ers and other import enthusiasts is simply a small revenue generator for the business called Carlisle Events. It is nothing personal, just business.
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I live and work in Carlisle. The Import show is the smallest event held through the season... and the season runs Spring through Fall with 2-3 events per month.
What has become close and dear to Tb-ers and other import enthusiasts is simply a small revenue generator for the business called Carlisle Events. It is nothing personal, just business.
You know the same thing can be said about manufacturing overseas (mainly china) "It's just business" but look where that has gotten us? Crap products and walmart .
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You know the same thing can be said about manufacturing overseas (mainly china) "It's just business" but look where that has gotten us? Crap products and walmart .
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