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Old 01-20-2017, 08:08 PM   #1
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My car is a 1992 Volvo 245. It has over 300,000 miles on the odometer, and the odometer stopped working in 2009. In all likelihood, my car has in excess of 400,000 miles.

Seeing as she is living on borrowed time, and I was in need of some affordable rubber, I purchased the best deal I could find in the size I wanted.

The tires I just took off the car were badly worn Michelin tires in the size 195/70r14. The original tire size was 185/70r14. I wanted to keep the width, but not the height, so I split the baby and ordered 195/60r14. Very, very close to original tire diameter.

After doing some online shopping, and being baffled at tire prices, I decided to check Walmart's online store. My wife works for Walmart, so we get a 10% discount. I found a tire I wanted, but while waiting for the money to materialize, they sold out of that brand and size. They were going to cost $180 for four. Also Chinese cheapies.

So looking for another tire deal in that same size, I came across the Westlake RP18. It's an all-season tire with a grip rating of AA, which is the best classification you can get.

Initial impressions: they are tires. Black, round things, made or rubber and steel belts and stuff. Tread depth is not the deepest ever seen, but I've paid WAY more for worse. Road noise seems no different than the old busted Michelins I took off. Handling seems essentially unaffected, grip feels good. Now, this is only one drive in, on dry ground. I plan on updating as I go. I'll let you guys know what I think about the quality, grip, wear, etc.

The best part, the part I've been holding back, is this - four tires for $150, including tax. You'd pay about $15 more without the employee discount. So, did I get what I paid for? Will my Chinese, bargain-priced Westlake RP18 tires bite the dust early? I'll update as I know!

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Old 01-20-2017, 08:27 PM   #2
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Cheap enough but that's a little short for a 240 you should have gotten 195-70-14's or even 195-75-14's on a wagon.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:32 PM   #3
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Cheap enough but that's a little short for a 240 you should have gotten 195-70-14's or even 195-75-14's on a wagon.
Perhaps. But I wanted to stay smaller diameter because I will be lowering it soon. Less chance of rubbing.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:08 PM   #4
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Old 01-20-2017, 10:51 PM   #5
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You don't have to worry about rubbing till you get to 225 or screw up the offset.

Besides it's already lowered with those teeny little tires anyway.
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Old 01-20-2017, 11:35 PM   #6
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I used 195/65-14 and they were a nice upgrade for the 14" wheels.
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Will my Chinese, bargain-priced Westlake RP18 tires bite the dust early? I'll update as I know!
The tyres already blew out and you careened off the freeway into a michael-bay esque explosion. You're already dead, this is Purgatory.

BS aside hope they work out for you. I remember how the last discussion on cheap Chinese rubber went...
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What is the tread rating?
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:20 PM   #11
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I think you'll find that even major tire companies are now manufacturing at least some of their tires in China.
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What is the tread rating?
Here's the info from the tire sticker"

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86H
Black sidewall
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UTQG: 500 A A
M+S

So I guess I misunderstood previously, the Tread Wear rating is A, and the grip rating is A. I was mistakenly combining the two ratings, like a neener head.
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:22 PM   #14
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Here's the info from the tire sticker"

Westlake
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86H
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UTQG: 500 A A
M+S

So I guess I misunderstood previously, the Tread Wear rating is A, and the grip rating is A. I was mistakenly combining the two ratings, like a neener head.
I'm not sure that 195/60r14 is the best choice for a 240. Probably 2 sizes too small.
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Here's the info from the tire sticker"

Westlake
195/60r14
Standard load
86H
Black sidewall
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UTQG: 500 A A
M+S

So I guess I misunderstood previously, the Tread Wear rating is A, and the grip rating is A. I was mistakenly combining the two ratings, like a neener head.
No.

500 is for tread wear, aka, tire is hard.
one A is for traction in WET road.
one A is for temperature
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Old 01-21-2017, 10:46 PM   #16
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Isn't it true that all those tire ratings you are talking about are manufacturer-generated, no regulations or rules or independent sanctioning body to enforce them? *Might* be better policed with namebrand premier brands, but probably not with bottom-of-the-scale cheapies.

AND that traction rating is supposedly only for wet, straight-ahead, i.e. not cornering.

In other words, don't get so hung up on the UTQG ratings.

My own experience with cheapies has been problematical: out-of-round, tread separation, poor real-world traction. YMMV.

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(the "old" 80's/90's) Uniroyal Tiger Paw Gt's were nice
195/70-14 worked out nicely for a heavy load

* later.. design changed

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(the "old" 80's/90's) Uniroyal Tiger Paw Gt's were nice
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* later.. design changed


That's the shizzle for an 83+ stick 240 with the 331:1's
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Speed rating is good. Tire wear seems good too. Can't beat the price. Not like your putting your car on the track.
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The tires I just took off the car were badly worn Michelin tires in the size 195/70r14. The original tire size was 185/70r14. I wanted to keep the width, but not the height, so I split the baby and ordered 195/60r14. Very, very close to original tire diameter.


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I wouldn't call 23.21" Ø very close at all to any of the stock sizes.

185-70-14 is the stock 240 sedan size @ 24.19" Ø.

185 R {80} 14 is the stock wagon size @ 25.65" Ø.

So doing the math your wheels are 2.44" shorter than stock wagon diameter, and your car sits almost an inch and a quarter lower than it should.

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So doing the math your wheels are 2.44" shorter than stock wagon diameter...
Should be good for around-town scooting, no?
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Old 01-21-2017, 11:53 PM   #22
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I wouldn't call 23.21" Ø very close at all to any of the stock sizes.

185-70-14 is the stock 240 sedan size @ 24.19" Ø.

185 R {80} 14 is the stock wagon size @ 25.65" Ø.

So doing the math your wheels are 2.44" shorter than stock wagon diameter, and your car sits almost an inch and a quarter lower than it should.

Okay, fair enough. i didn't realize it was that big of a difference. However, they are mine now, so they are gonna get ridden hard and put away wet (or dry) until they explode, go bald, get stolen, or an unusually large cop mistakes them for donuts. It could happen. My 15 year old already wants to know why there are Oreos right by all of my vents.

So, right size or not (obviously not), this thread is about how well they work, and how well they hold up. At the end of they day, they are a HUGE step up from the Michelin with the broken belt, it's neighbor "Baldy," and the badly feathered edges on the front meats. And before you tell me, alignment and any needed repairs are coming quickly.

That being said, I got to drive with them in some mixed wet/dry conditions today. I know the tire ratings have nothing to do with wet cornering, but my personal ratings do. So far so good. Tried to break it loose at about 35 in a tight turn but couldn't. So that is a good sign. More testing required though. Not much road noise, ride feels smooth enough. And I like how they look on the car, for better or worse.
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I wouldn't call 23.21" Ø very close at all to any of the stock sizes.

185-70-14 is the stock 240 sedan size @ 24.19" Ø.

185 R {80} 14 is the stock wagon size @ 25.65" Ø.

So doing the math your wheels are 2.44" shorter than stock wagon diameter, and your car sits almost an inch and a quarter lower than it should.

The older tires such as the 185R14 you mention had an aspect ratio of 82.
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Gonna use more gas and accelerate a little bit better yes.
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Experienced the new tires today on wet roads with a little standing water/puddles. No indication of hydroplaning, felt sure-footed. Pleased so far!
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