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Old 03-14-2021, 10:16 PM   #1
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I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?
2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?
3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.
4. Can suspension be lowered ?
5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?
Thanks for the help.
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Old 03-14-2021, 10:36 PM   #2
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I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?

Yes but it ain't TB¢heap.


2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?

Yes. It is after all a 240 with a bastard PRV motor.


3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap.

4. Can suspension be lowered ?

Anything can be lowered with a $14.99 HF angle grinder.




5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?

Yes but the filler trim has a completely different pattern of holes for anchorage.
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"3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap."

So I would have to get a 5 speed manual from an older 262 ?
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"3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.

No the V6 bell housing is a unique pattern and the 4cyl transmissions don't swap."

So I would have to get a 5 speed manual from an older 262 ?


Good luck with that the clutch pedal is worth more than the PRV / M46 bell housing or transmission.

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Are the pedals not the same as the 240 models?
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Are the pedals not the same as the 240 models?
Yes they are not.

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Old 03-14-2021, 11:44 PM   #7
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The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock, or swap it with a drivetrain you like. The PRV is kind of a bastard child. Have they been used in race cars? Yes. Do they deserve their reputation? Also yes.


An LS with a 6 speed would fit. As would a redblock set up. Or go crazy and K swap it with a CD009.
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The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock, or swap it with a drivetrain you like. The PRV is kind of a bastard child. Have they been used in race cars? Yes. Do they deserve their reputation? Also yes.


An LS with a 6 speed would fit. As would a redblock set up. Or go crazy and K swap it with a CD009.
I understand but I would only swap in another Volvo engine. Any idea who made the correct 4 Speed OD transmission?

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The best answer to all your questions is either keep it stock.
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You're going to spend the car's value over trying to make more power with a PRV.

Someone on the TB discord has a 262 that was swapped to a B230, but I wouldn't expect that to be a 'cost effective' swap.

Also, if you're going to hack up a Volvo for speed, don't hack a 262. Get yourself a $20 245 or maybe a 700 and spend your entire college fund on LS swap parts.
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You're going to spend the car's value over trying to make more power with a PRV.

Someone on the TB discord has a 262 that was swapped to a B230, but I wouldn't expect that to be a 'cost effective' swap.

Also, if you're going to hack up a Volvo for speed, don't hack a 262. Get yourself a $20 245 or maybe a 700 and spend your entire college fund on LS swap parts.
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I once was a newbie on this forum, trying to make power with antiquated Volvo engines without bankrupting myself.

It's probably not possible unless you start with something decent.

Or an LS.
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I once was a newbie on this forum, trying to make power with antiquated Volvo engines without bankrupting myself.

It's probably not possible unless you start with something decent.

Or an LS.
To be fair the B21FT swap wasn't any more powerful than the PRV but usually it was done on cars with a PRV that had already given up the ghost so the chop top abomination lived on.



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Back in the day the most common swap was a B21FT out of a wrecked 240T since they're both K-jet cars.

Park the cars side by side and move everything in the engine bay over then do the pedal box.

Anymore the 26x's & 240T's are both rare bears and thin on the ground.
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I am close to buying a 262 Bertone 80 and have a few questions I hope someone can help with.

1. Engine seems pretty strong for its time 150+HP can the V6 be improved with a turbo or other kits?
2. Seller tells me differential has a very low ratio 3.5. Can it be swapped out with a 240 rear end?
3. Car has a 3 speed OD. Can a 5 speed from a 240 be swapped without major mods.
4. Can suspension be lowered ?
5. Can bumpers be swapped out for 240 plastic ones?
Thanks for the help.
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#4 - IPD used to sell a lowering kit that works for the 262 not sure if that is different than the 240 kit, and if so if it is still available.
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You are all correct it seems messing with the PRV is a waste of money. I rather tune properly and keep the stock engine. However, I think a 4 speed OD would be
awesome. Donor could be a 260 series. I understand the PRV on the 260 series is known as the B28E.

P.S I may sound like a rookie with the 262 but I have restored a P1800E and a 240GL so I now a bit of volvo.
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You are all correct it seems messing with the PRV is a waste of money. I rather tune properly and keep the stock engine. However, I think a 4 speed OD would be
awesome. Donor could be a 260 series. I understand the PRV on the 260 series is known as the B28E.

P.S I may sound like a rookie with the 262 but I have restored a P1800E and a 240GL so I now a bit of volvo.
So an 1800 guy huh?

A little bit odd but now you want to become a full blown PRVert too?





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So an 1800 guy huh?

A little bit odd but now you want to become a full blown PRVert too?


I have soft spot in my heart for volvo bricks. My mom owned a 240 during my teens and
I still recall how I loved to drive it. Its part nostalgia I guess. Let's hope the 262 is restorable.

If I can continue to abuse of your knowledge, what code would a B28E 4 speed OD tranny be?

Thnx
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One more little note on auto transmission conversion if you are going OD auto;

The AW70 with a PRV bell housing was only produced in '82-'83 with a mechanical speedometer cable. As mentioned, this time frame did not produce many survivor 260 PRV cars.

I had a decent AW70 OD transmission but had to find the PRV bell housing and then . . . and then . . . had to find a mechanical speedometer cable tail housing to complete the job.
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Whelp yea like I said good luck finding those parts or a parts car since 95%+ of them were autos, and the PRV's usually suffered a horrible dino oil related death right around 100-120K miles, or 1990-2000 which was 20 years ago now...
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Whelp yea like I said good luck finding those parts or a parts car since 95%+ of them were autos, and the PRV's usually suffered a horrible dino oil related death right around 100-120K miles, or 1990-2000 which was 20 years ago now...
Oh...my is this something I need to check with the potential car? What are the symptoms?
Cylinder failure?
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Something something top end oil starvation Peugeot Renault Volvo turd go BOOM!

Of course they fixed it on the later 6cyl engines but the damage to the 6cyl's reputation was done.
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Well this is a later 80´s hope its ok but will check thoroughly
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Something something top end oil starvation Peugeot Renault Volvo turd go BOOM!

Of course they fixed it on the later 6cyl engines but the damage to the 6cyl's reputation was done.
As a mechanic poetically put it to me when I was first looking at a 6 cylinder 240 "That engine is one of the greatest boat anchors ever designed"

I for one LOVE the 262 Bertone - but it would be a project for a drive train replacement and it would have to have an interior in good shape which is so rare.
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As a mechanic poetically put it to me when I was first looking at a 6 cylinder 240 "That engine is one of the greatest boat anchors ever designed"

I for one LOVE the 262 Bertone - but it would be a project for a drive train replacement and it would have to have an interior in good shape which is so rare.


The Italian bordello leather interior was sooo trendy back in the 80's.
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The Italian bordello leather interior was sooo trendy back in the 80's.
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