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Old 04-26-2015, 05:12 PM   #1
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Trying to get my 81 coupe running again. After crawling under the car and applying direct voltage to the pump it was determined that the pump was seized. Now to remove the pump and the fitting was another project. I was able to get the pump off of the car but the fitting holding the check valve and bracket did not wont to budge. What I did next was to cut down the electrical points so that I was able to remove the entire fitting as one.


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Once I had it off the pump I then tried to separate the cap from the check valve. The cap nut in front is 19mm. The check valve is 17mm. I could not get the 17mm wrench to hold securely without is slipping off while a tried to lever the 19mm cap. The rubber line is in the way so it is hard to grab the edges of the valve nut . I had an extra cap that was on another failed pump which I was able to take off. I took that cap and screwed it on to hold the 17mm wrench in place.
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This was the only way I could get a good grip on both sides ( no vise) then gave the 19mm a couple of wacks with a hammer it all came apart. I then cleaned everything on a wire wheel and gave it a few coats of paint. maybe it'll help maybe not but at least it's not rusty. Now I need to find a new Bosch pump. It looks like they changed the parts numbers. Need to do some more looking. Any good place to buy a fuel pump at a decent price? What happens if I use a pump for a 240 instead of a 260? Thanks
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Painted a few other things photo rusty fitting 4_zpsqtri0gsg.jpg
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Old 04-26-2015, 05:15 PM   #2
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Had to cut down the wire connection so the fitting would rotate
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Old 04-26-2015, 05:16 PM   #3
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A screwgun should knock that fitting loose, that's what I've always done.

The 260 pump is bigger and NLA.

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Old 04-26-2015, 05:20 PM   #5
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260 actually uses the same 949 pump as a 240 TURBO starting in 1979. 1976-1978 "side feed" d-jet style but higher pressure for k-jet are quite hard to find replaced known good, costly if you can find a source for new OE.

I have a known good spare or two with the proper terminals.

A 740T intank pump OE is a nice thing to pair with, have to mod the sender a little though (trim the tube).

I've found the replaced bullet plug ones are better quality than the new ring terminal ones...those are a knockoff I think that still say "made in Germany" due to the european union branding rule change that if some part is designed or made in Germany (like the box or label) it can say "Made in Germany" on it or whatever.

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Old 04-26-2015, 05:20 PM   #6
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RWC , so now what? After looking around the old part # is 058254972 and the new # is 0580254949. Don't know if they are physically the same. Although it says the part will work with my car.
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Buy K-jet's 949.
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Old 04-26-2015, 05:22 PM   #8
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Bosch K-jet is K-jet across multiple car lines.

All the fuel pumps are intended to be the same spec even if one is larger than another. That pump is used across many, many manufacturers and applications.

My replacement pump was much smaller than the original and I had to add padding to get the clamp to hold it securely.
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Kjets I've yet to install the sender I got from you. I wanted to verify that the new in-tank pump was working as it should. It it does. Then I went on to the main pump and found it was dead. Once I have that part I will change everything out, again. Thank you for heads up on your spares. I'll pm you in a minute. I hesitate on installing this part used. Also is your spare the "fatter" pump?
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My replacement pump was much smaller than the original and I had to add padding to get the clamp to hold it securely.

I've taken so many of those out of k-jet cars They go ~2 years or less on a k-jet car that get driven regularly before they burn out.

949 is the most recent part number and was OE and same for 240T or 260 either way or K-jet B28 760s up to late 1986. That's pretty much what's stocked for any/all of them.

Spare is a fatter 949 k-jet pump...

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Old 04-26-2015, 05:28 PM   #11
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Test Point I take it you bought new? Part #, vendor?
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Old 04-26-2015, 05:39 PM   #12
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Anyone ever bring one back to life?
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I bought new off eBay. Who knows what source. Who knows where Bosch gets their products these days.

After sitting for a year without running it would not pump. Rubber hammered it as mounted. No cigar . . . . Pulled it and rubber hammered it on the bench and it worked fine.

Continues to work.

Sorta like the climate control fans the pumps do not like vacations.
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So the 'beatings will continue until moral improves'. Nothing like a big hammer for persuasion.
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So the 'beatings will continue until moral improves'. Nothing like a big hammer for persuasion.
I think that's morale.
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Usually if it's someone else's car where I don't know when I will see it again, beating on it to get it going is only done to get it to start and run long enough to drag it in the shop and change the pump.
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Old 04-26-2015, 08:36 PM   #18
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looking around on the interweb I find rebuilt 957, same as what I have , new 949 which replaces 972, new 068 and new 044. Specs say all of these pumps work on almost all 240s and turbos and on 780 with b280f motors, almost the same as a b28f. I'm guessing the only difference is the thickness because they all flow the same amount of fluid 80gpm at 300 psi.
Prices are also all over the board from $43 for the rebuilt to $110 for new one.
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Old 04-27-2015, 07:12 AM   #19
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The last time, I needed to replace a main pump, my dad helped me grind down a 17 mm wrench to act as a counterhold. It is also helpful in installing the new pump so the nut on the banjo fitting doesn't tigthen the check valve into pump. I probably won't have an opportunity to post a photo this week, but there is a diagram in the Volvo shop manual and possibly the Bentley as well.
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