EV turbobrick - the turbobrick way?

gross polluter said:

You bring ideas to the forum. Just like everyone else. Your ideas may be different and that doesn't make you right and everyone else wrong, and vice-versa. Believe it or not, it's OK for people to disagree with you.

There are a lot of people on this forum that have real-world experience with many of the concepts you discuss, including in this thread alone. In this community there tends to be a large gap where the theories and hypothesis don't match the actual result and for most people on this forum the results matter more than the ideas behind the result, and this really seems to bother you.

There hasn't been a single thread on this forum you've participated in that hasn't gone way off tangent because you take issue with anyone not agreeing with you or you think people aren't listening. You don't really seem to have any ability to play well with others and it tends to beg the question if you're a really talented troll, or if this is just how you are in real life.

Regardless, at some point you're going to have to accept that not everyone is as intelligent as you are. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and not everyone is going to accept your ideas. If that's not possible, then maybe group discussions aren't for you.

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I can accept fully the fact that you know who you are and honor yourself as a troll. I can accept that you think high efficiency motor and drive design is a matter of opinions and misinformation. It shows me a clear indication of your lack of understanding about electrical rotating machines. I can accept the fact that you think these cracker jack psychoanalytical rants personally directed at me the last two days are on topic and don't contribute all to any topic tangents, but finally what you need to accept and realize is that when it comes to engineering or motor development I truly don't have to accept anything but the facts. However I am willing to sit back and let it all fall to the bottom with no interference. No slight on swedebrick but the reality is not a thing has been built here off your opinion of me and most likely it wont be at the severely lacking budget proposals. That's the reality of it all. Not one real motor designer or engineer here has disagreed with a single thing I've posted and they won't because they know the difference between opinion and facts. You would too if you knew much about motor development or had done any real research in that regard. Older "concepts" that have been confirmed empirically are already in used in many of the cars discussed here . Tesla , and TOYOTA to name a few . I'm patiently waiting to see where these many opinions lead because when it comes to the things I've shared here about motor design they are fact not unconfirmed speculation from what someone else said who also has no real experience. It's a total waste of my time to argue with someone that clearly knows not alot about it if they think its a matter of opinions. What you should accept is if you cannot digest the information from someone who knows then you have no ambition to be smarter. Your wrong I don't have to accept that the person with a quest that doesn't know what they are doing has too. Im really ok if it takes the phone world a week later to come to realistic budgets etc. Im sure with nasty feeds or a mindset like yours it will continue to lag behind. Im hoping something is built soon because all the speculative talk wont hold interest long or make it go down the road. I can accept that you think the IEEE and this scope here is a matter of opinion. I can only laugh and certainly I cannot let what you say upset me no matter how much u try. You don't know and have not worked with any high level e motor designers so why trouble myself...

hk 40 said:

I can accept fully the fact that you know who you are and honor yourself as a troll. I can accept that you think high efficiency motor and drive design is a matter of opinions and misinformation. It shows me a clear indication of your lack of understanding about electrical rotating machines. I can accept the fact that you think these cracker jack psychoanalytical rants personally directed at me the last two days are on topic and don't contribute all to any topic tangents, but finally what you need to accept and realize is that when it comes to engineering or motor development I truly don't have to accept anything but the facts. However I am willing to sit back and let it all fall to the bottom with no interference. No slight on swedebrick but the reality is not a thing has been built here off your opinion of me and most likely it wont be at the severely lacking budget proposals. That's the reality of it all. Not one real motor designer or engineer here has disagreed with a single thing I've posted and they won't because they know the difference between opinion and facts. You would too if you knew much about motor development or had done any real research in that regard. Older "concepts" that have been confirmed empirically are already in used in many of the cars discussed here . Tesla , and TOYOTA to name a few . I'm patiently waiting to see where these many opinions lead because when it comes to the things I've shared here about motor design they are fact not unconfirmed speculation from what someone else said who also has no real experience. It's a total waste of my time to argue with someone that clearly knows not alot about it if they think its a matter of opinions. What you should accept is if you cannot digest the information from someone who knows then you have no ambition to be smarter. Your wrong I don't have to accept that the person with a quest that doesn't know what they are doing has too. Im really ok if it takes the phone world a week later to come to realistic budgets etc. Im sure with nasty feeds or a mindset like yours it will continue to lag behind. Im hoping something is built soon because all the speculative talk wont hold interest long or make it go down the road. I can accept that you think the IEEE and this scope here is a matter of opinion. I can only laugh and certainly I cannot let what you say upset me no matter how much u try. You don't know and have not worked with any high level e motor designers so why trouble myself...

It isn't at all an issue for me. Just make sure u can be happy because it sounds like alot of self reflection is actually taking place in the speeches you give. Of course I don't know you and you def dont know me so I can only see you as some crazy angry a self proclaimed troll online that will say things like you do to people you don't know. Its truly radical and obviously speaking to a total stranger that way about things you dont really know about brings you solace.

No matter the ISCAD is the most advanced 48 volt e drive system in the world currently. Straight from Germany. In a few years u might find one in a JY!
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hk 40 said:

Not with that stator with radial arms and rounded slot bottoms you really wont. We've done it already let me show u what that stator designed to optimize square conductors looks like. Can I see the motors you've wound? For them youd want a square slot. This is not cutting edge information. If you feel you have told me something groundbreaking you must not be aware that motors the size of ev's can achieve efficiencies > 95% will less than 50 % fill.... Square wire is cool but I can show you motors with 70% fill that have round wires. The square conductor still wont get rid of the space harmonics that eat away at efficiency in a fractionally slotted concentrated wind. Big iron losses. A 50mm prototype is 1800.00 dollars. Nothing to consider in and adequate size if you have no money.

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HiSPL said:

The 450H is a gold mine for DIY EV's. The CVT transmission is an overgrown prius unit, in RWD format. And the AWD the suv model (RX450H) had a fully self contained differential with it's own electric motor that was in parallel with a prop shaft. It is fully able to be used with or without the prop shaft there.

So dual motor EV, series hybrid, parallel hybrid, whatever.

And you can buy wrecked 450H's pretty cheap.

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cwdodson88 said:

I don’t need to wind them by hand. We have machines that do that for us. I’m in the power train side of things, so I get to modify, assemble, tune and dyno test them before they get shipped to the end users. Along with assembly and testing of mostly prototype gearbox systems. Including planetary constantly variable transmissions equipped with or without their own motors.

My coworkers in our power electronics site play with control and power management. Smallest motors I’ve run are 90nm or so on the shaft, and about 20k rpm. Largest around 1500nm with peak rpm around 6k. Typically the builds best suited for the race and hobby market are around 4-700nm, with 10-15k rpm thresholds depending on end user nominal voltage.

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cwdodson88 said:

My guess is that you don?t fully understand the inner workings of that gearbox. I?ve worked on something similar. So, let me see if I understand it well enough to explain it. From what I see, there?s a planetary set: sun, planets, ring, electric motor controlling the gear ratio by fixing or changing speed at which the planets revolve around the sun (input shaft), this controls speed and torque of the output shaft. With this setup, you have near infinite gear ratios. Meaning you can spin the input shaft in one direction, and spin the planets in either direction, taking this gearbox from a high reduction to an over driven gearbox by how fast (hard) and what direction you spin the planets. They have these set in preset stages, but as a torque amplifier, I think that with the right system you could potentially get a 1000hp with very little hp on the input shaft. The only limitation would be the transmission having high enough torque at high enough rpm to be able to cope with input at the speed and torque being fed into the transmission. So, get an idea of what tq it makes, and where it knees, and depending on voltage and control, you could probably find a way to get to that 1000hp number, and I don?t think it would be as big of an ordeal as you might guess.

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hk 40 said:

Im just saying Im done...
Im in the process of trying to get Mikep to remove my entire e thread because you all just dont want to listen to me and I guess even though Ive showed you the things I know and even offered you a look into how efficiency plays in . You insist that I don't know a thing . I know the reason so Ima just leave it alone. It's clear to me that the forum has only a set group of individuals that it wants to listen to. I cant waste my time with it. You don't know the value of the things I try to show you so I really hope mikep pulls it away. Its pretty insulting to have spent all the time I have with it and have someone tell me I don't know anything because they say it may be possible. I hate I shared anything and I'm going to stop doing that. Its pointless. When I heard 19 points of efficiency wont make much difference in the performance of an EV I should have cut my losses and just bugged out. Ya'll want to argue and throw ad hominem everything but listen to me so thats fine. Honestly there's an awfully lot of elementary questions in it from members that are now experts in this one. Its pretty amazing the view count of nothing. Thats the thanks I get...just take my knowledge 10,000 plus strong and tell me I'm stupid and what Im aware and not aware of at the same time. Thank you. I'm banning myself from here.

Its all yours
Peace.

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mikep said:

^ I'm going to have to get another bottle of acetylene to fit that in my 245.


If we are still taking toyota/lexus, That's a good tech description. I teach kids, so I usually use an open diff to show them my interpretation of how it "idles", "creeps", etc.



I am an archivist my nature. There is good info there, and if you requested a clean-up, I would find the time soon and clean it up, and then re-open it.

I do not think it needs to go away.

I am getting more and more busy over the next two weeks, so let's keep the cobbling ideas going in here, and sort out the pissing contests elsewhere.

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Oh no mike its only my OPINIONS posted there LOL.... I know your buzy and having to chaperone grown ass men is tiring.

Its very disappointing that the phone world never once considered what happens if the swapped motor loses a phase. Winding the motor is part of servicing it. I guess the turboricks way will be a one and done.... if it ever fails... Marvelous....truly...

If you dont want to remove it why no unlock it so i can stay in my lane and anyone that like the turbobricks way can stay in here.

Id like to talk to people that did not touch this thread but are in mine like James M. who posted something tangible I can recognize as tru economical DIY. A warp 9 could really push the brick down the track. Win a few races and you can step up your equipment .

Janspeed
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showpost.php?p=6182240&postcount=4

JLfenton95
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showpost.php?p=6182241&postcount=5



There's a few people in it starting trouble that hadn't a clue about EV they just like to know everything even in threads where the truly know nothing. They will even tell people how much hp they make without even knowing there compression ratios etc.

Allow the people that are capable and have interest in building there own inverter motors whatever have our own playground where we can play with the ideas they have shared. Have you noticed the only members in mine that have commented here are Cullberro and Cw the rest of these guys id like to continue on with in my thread. Im not in any pissing match by showing what I know until someone tries to piss on it then out comes gallons. Remember I left here and they simply followed me there. think about it If they don't have interest why are they there???? That part is not making since if posting how efficiency governs power is not something they want to hear. Someone on this board cares about that so let us talk and they can speculate on the lexus transmissions etc here . I promise you ill never return.

Let the members that didnt have a problem with the tech i was posting learn since they are willing to have an honest look. we should have a space where we can share ideas and concepts no one wants to touch here.

Im so good with this all you have to do is if you dont subscribe to it just stay out with negative comments. How difficult is that?


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My guess is that you don’t fully understand the inner workings of that gearbox. I’ve worked on something similar. So, let me see if I understand it well enough to explain it. From what I see, there’s a planetary set: sun, planets, ring, electric motor controlling the gear ratio by fixing or changing speed at which the planets revolve around the sun (input shaft), this controls speed and torque of the output shaft. With this setup, you have near infinite gear ratios. Meaning you can spin the input shaft in one direction, and spin the planets in either direction, taking this gearbox from a high reduction to an over driven gearbox by how fast (hard) and what direction you spin the planets. They have these set in preset stages, but as a torque amplifier, I think that with the right system you could potentially get a 1000hp with very little hp on the input shaft. The only limitation would be the transmission having high enough torque at high enough rpm to be able to cope with input at the speed and torque being fed into the transmission. So, get an idea of what tq it makes, and where it knees, and depending on voltage and control, you could probably find a way to get to that 1000hp number, and I don’t think it would be as big of an ordeal as you might guess.

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Mueller said:

Can we say all wheel drive 240?

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HiSPL said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6TKI2GIWM&ab_channel=DamienMaguire
This guy's already built a car out of this gearbox. He's since sold this car on, but it was fully operational.

The input shaft can be locked in place, thereby using only the electric motor.

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cwdodson88 said:

Meh, don?t be dumbass... don?t lick fingers and touch shiny things. If you do have to, touch only one at a time. My test station ran off a 388v pack of lipo for years, and I?ve connected and disconnected it many times along with dismantling banks of cells to pull/replace them. You really just need to not position yourself as a through component.

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cwdodson88 said:

Meh, don?t be dumbass... don?t lick fingers and touch shiny things. If you do have to, touch only one at a time. My test station ran off a 388v pack of lipo for years, and I?ve connected and disconnected it many times along with dismantling banks of cells to pull/replace them. You really just need to not position yourself as a through component.

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