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Old 06-16-2021, 07:32 PM   #1
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Hey all, thought it would be fun to document the restoration of my recently acquired 1984 Volvo 242 Turbo with factory intercooler and M46 transmission (thank you Joe for the car and thank you Roy for mediating the deal!)

It’s a ‘200-2’ Blue Metallic over black leather car. Could go for a full restoration but I’m planning to start with the mechanical side of things to get it running and driving properly before I start tackling the cosmetic work. Will update as I make progress.

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Old 06-16-2021, 07:35 PM   #2
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First order of business…does anyone know what the amp amount should be for the original alternator on this car?

I’ve heard about the 100+ amp alternator upgrades if you’re planning to run additional electrical equipment such as electric cooling fan etc, but for now I’d like to get it to a good stage 0.

I’ve seen multiple Bosch alternators available that fit this car, just wondering what the correct one should be?
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Old 06-16-2021, 07:40 PM   #3
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Suspension-wise, I’ve already got Lesjofors lowering springs and Koni adjustable sport shocks for all 4 corners on their way. Also going with IPD 25/25 front and rear sway bars and all their other heavy duty 240 suspension goodies.
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Old 06-16-2021, 08:52 PM   #4
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First order of businessÖdoes anyone know what the amp amount should be for the original alternator on this car?

Iíve heard about the 100+ amp alternator upgrades if youíre planning to run additional electrical equipment such as electric cooling fan etc, but for now Iíd like to get it to a good stage 0.

Iíve seen multiple Bosch alternators available that fit this car, just wondering what the correct one should be?
The book says it should have a 55 amp alternator.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:00 PM   #5
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The book says it should have a 55 amp alternator.
Wow, thatís lower than I expected. I called my local Volvo dealership and gave them the vin and they told me there were 9 different alternators this car couldíve came withÖ shopping on FCP Euro using the year/make/model there were two Bosch alternators that came up ó a 60 amp and an 80 amp. I suppose the 60 would be the one to get then? Or is the 80 a better one? It doesnít hurt to have more amps right, you just donít want less than required?
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:16 PM   #6
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This is the one my catalog shows is correct.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vol...-al70x#fitment

The bigger the alternator the closer it gets to the exhaust manifold. There can also be clearance issues with the oil pressure sender.

Denso alternators have a smaller frame with higher output compared to the Bosch alternators.

https://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=282770
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Old 06-17-2021, 05:37 PM   #7
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I upload to the IMGbb website on my phone. You can get BBcode links straight from the site and paste them into TB. Please do, I want to see more photos of that thing. I'd recommend a denso assuming it is a drop in replacement like on the 700/900. I know the mounting position is different on the 240s but it seems like if a Bosch will fit the Denso will fit even better since it is smaller.
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Old 06-17-2021, 08:30 PM   #8
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I second the Denso upgrade recommendation. Have one on my 242 and one on my 245. You do need a 1985-on 240 series B230 alternator adjustment bracket, since the adjustment ear on the alternator is much thinner and sits farther forward than the B21/23 style.
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Old 06-19-2021, 10:46 PM   #9
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I appreciate your guys’ input, I’ll probably go with a Denso alternator! When searching by application, only Bosch is coming up. Is there a go-to Denso model or part number for me to search? Also, is that adjustment bracket a part I can buy new online or a pick n pull find?
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:04 PM   #10
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I appreciate your guys’ input, I’ll probably go with a Denso alternator! When searching by application, only Bosch is coming up. Is there a go-to Denso model or part number for me to search? Also, is that adjustment bracket a part I can buy new online or a pick n pull find?
Did you see this which hiperfauto posted?

Parts Shed Sale: Denso 100 Amp Alternator for 2/7/9 Series

I also recommend this upgrade.
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Probably quickest to just grab it off a car at the yard...

With respect to the alternator, yeah, get it from philski...
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Did you see this which hiperfauto posted?

Parts Shed Sale: Denso 100 Amp Alternator for 2/7/9 Series

I also recommend this upgrade.
Thanks for linking it!
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Probably quickest to just grab it off a car at the yard...

With respect to the alternator, yeah, get it from philski...
Fortunately there are a fair amount of late 240s at the junk yards around here in Cali
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Same here in the Seattle area... Should be pretty easy to grab one.
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Old 06-21-2021, 02:23 PM   #15
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Well this is exciting…I picked up sponsorship from Do88! Going to be installing their all aluminum larger volume radiator and intercooler as well as their silicone intake and pressure hoses, radiator hoses, and heater hoses. Only the best quality for the induction and cooling system!
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Old 06-24-2021, 01:25 AM   #16
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My Kaplhenke adjustable sway bar links came in today (since I’m lowering the car 30mm)
These things are cool! And they seem like incredibly high quality. Absolutely got what I paid for…
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Old 09-13-2021, 05:40 AM   #17
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Iíve been hard at work the past week with this car. I have a tendency to all out when I do a repair/upgrade on my cars so Iíve gotten a little carried awayÖ

So far it needed new front engine seals (which I had one hell of a time removing) so I took everything apart and broke/bent 3 trim picks trying to remove the seals without scoring the metal.
Because I was replacing oil seals I decided to do a full water pump/timing belt job. Got a Gates racing square tooth timing belt and new Hepu water pump, which needed new studs as well since the old ones were frozen to the old Hepu. I also replaced the timing belt tensioner and spring with genuine Volvo parts, and bench ground all the corrosion off the intermediate shaft gear and cam gear front and rear covers. Also going to be installing an STS adjustable timing gear which will soon be paired with an IPD turbo cam.
In part by my sponsorship from Do88, and me already invading the cooling system with the water pump, it will be getting silicone radiator and heater hoses, as well as an upgraded Do88 aluminum manual transmission radiator. Because Iím installing their nice big radiator, I figured I would also install their upgraded aluminum intercooler in the place of the original on my car, but save the original, and of course put their silicone intercooler hoses on as well.
Looking for a nice condition one piece plastic B21 4 bolt timing cover!
Also just replacing all the evap hoses and vacuum lines I come across with reinforced hose length I have in various side hose ids.

I was going to do the 100amp Denso alternator conversion but after taking some measurements on the mounting ears and hardware I found small differences in measurements compared to the stock Bosch amp and realized there is a piece Iím missing for the mounting adaptation, so I ordered a remaníd 55amp alternator to install instead since getting the car on the road ASAP is my priority. Grabbed some polyurethane bushings for the alternator brackets as well.

Got some NGK 6ís to replace the ancient spark plugs that were in it, a new Bosch dizzy cap and rotor, and some IPD performance wires because why not Iíve gone this far. The ignition coil is old as **** and Iíd like to install a new one. I understand from some reading online that there is a resister of some sort in original 240 turbo coils that you need to bypass or do something with if you put a modern coil in.
Does anyone know a good ignition coil that is plug and play for a non modified 1984 242GLT electrical system? Iím talking a pull the original out and put the new one in and have no problems kind of coil. Anything of higher performance or quality is more ideal.
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Looking great. For the Bosch to Denso if you get the whole shebang from Philski he normally includes the tensioner piece to make it happen. It's a bolt on affair pretty much. I have an 80a from him on my b21ft and it fits/works great.

How'd you manage to get the do88 sponsorship? Do they just require tagging them on social media or whatever?
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Just get a bosch 100 amp from fcp. Don't mess with the denso junk.
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^Too big. The B+ terminal is about 7mm away from the oil filter casing, so you can do impromptu welding while changing your oil. Also doesn't fit right with the oil pressure sender. If you're going to run a 740-style AC and alternator bracket on the driver's side, then the big body Bosch alternator works fine.

Denso alternator is better than the big body Bosch anyway.
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Looking great. For the Bosch to Denso if you get the whole shebang from Philski he normally includes the tensioner piece to make it happen. It's a bolt on affair pretty much. I have an 80a from him on my b21ft and it fits/works great.

How'd you manage to get the do88 sponsorship? Do they just require tagging them on social media or whatever?
I actually got my 100a from him! Got the tensioner from someone else but it seems the tensioner needs some sort of space on the mounting ear of the alternator? I could’ve been asleep while mocking it up when removed from the car. I’m not sure if the bracket that holds the alternator which is bolted to the passenger side of the engine block (turbo car) is the same or difference than the one that I should be mounting the later model Denso amp with.

I already got an OEM 55a Bosch to install seamlessly so I can use the car while I figure out the 100a.

There’s a cool retro car alarm installed on this car that’s got some funky wiring going to the ignition coil. It’s pretty cool. I’ll add some pictures of it later this week.
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Just get a bosch 100 amp from fcp. Don't mess with the denso junk.
As John242Ti said about the sizes, thatís why Iím going with a used Denso 100a. But I did get my replacement 55a Bosch unit from FCP! Their lifetime warranty is very enticing
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The correct alternator adjuster is one from a 1985 or newer B230 equipped 240. The ones that Phil seems to be selling with his look to be the ones used on the 7/9 series cars.

Correct style is shown in this pic of my 245's B21FT when I had it pulled from the engine bay... Note the long collar where it mounts to the block and the curved adjustment arm.

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The correct alternator adjuster is one from a 1985 or newer B230 equipped 240. The ones that Phil seems to be selling with his look to be the ones used on the 7/9 series cars.

Correct style is shown in this pic of my 245's B21FT when I had it pulled from the engine bay... Note the long collar where it mounts to the block and the curved adjustment arm.

I believe I have everything I need to mount this, I was trying to figure it out with the curved adjustment arm behind the ear with the carriage bolt going through, not in front of it. Seeing your picture was super healthful, thank you!

p.s. I’m jealous of how tidy your K-jet lines are, both my cars are missing all the brackets that hold the lines together
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