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Old 01-25-2014, 07:24 PM   #1
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Hi, I need to do the front brakes on my car for its MOT, thought it would be a good time to upgrade, its a 97 960 so Im under the impression the front struts are practically identical to the 850 ones, subsequently Ive heard of people fitting larger t5 discs and calipers to 960's, Im hoping someone can confirm this and advice me what I need to do this, what size of discs I should go for, will the calipers bolt straight on and should I use 960 hoses or source 850 ones?? Thanks
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:30 PM   #2
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I'm not aware of any direct bolt-on upgrade. I'm in the middle of designing a Wilwood 6-piston front/4 piston rear Wilwood BBK for these cars. I know there's no other aftermarket alternative.
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:07 AM   #3
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302mm V70 discs and caliper carriers. The calipers themselves are the same. Hoses might reach, you'll have to check.
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Any 850 brakes should work. BBKs too really.
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:28 AM   #5
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302mm V70 discs and caliper carriers. The calipers themselves are the same. Hoses might reach, you'll have to check.
We did this on my brothers c70. Worked out quite nicely.

Wouldn't be a terrible idea to swap ss braided hoses and knock out a full brake flush while your at it.
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:47 AM   #6
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302mm V70 discs and caliper carriers. The calipers themselves are the same. Hoses might reach, you'll have to check.
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We did this on my brothers c70. Worked out quite nicely.

Wouldn't be a terrible idea to swap ss braided hoses and knock out a full brake flush while your at it.

Are we sure this fits the 960/S90/V90? Every resource I checked when I was looking into OEM alternatives showed none of them bolted on.
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:43 PM   #7
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Some hard data: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=85788

Not sure how lines and things work out though!
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Shouldn't XC90 brakes fit too as long as 17" wheels are used?
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:55 PM   #9
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XC90 336mm rotors, caliper carriers pn36000253, 17s. not sure on the backing plates...?

You can also get into 4 pot calipers from R cars but then you need 18s.

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Old 01-26-2014, 03:31 PM   #10
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Some hard data: http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=85788

Not sure how lines and things work out though!


WTF! Where was this info the like, entire time I've been talking about developing my own BBK!!!!

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Edit: Is this front-only though? I can't imagine rears bolting up.....
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:02 PM   #11
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Pretty sure the 960 rears are kind of their own thing. Not that I'm even aware of any BBKs for the rear!

Well, I know of one...
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Pretty sure the 960 rears are kind of their own thing. Not that I'm even aware of any BBKs for the rear!

Well, I know of one...

Haha, well I'm ordering calipers this week anyways, so whatever. I'm planning to use a different caliper than the kits I see for the 850, those seem to have too much piston area as compared to a stock 960 caliper. I can't imagine that would be very good for the pedal height & throw with the stock master cylinder.
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XC90 336mm rotors, caliper carriers pn36000253, 17s. not sure on the backing plates...?

You can also get into 4 pot calipers from R cars but then you need 18s.
Ive got 18's fitted already, so if all thats needed to get 336mm discs from an XC90 on is caliper carriers and new discs that would be a good option, just checked, a set of genuine discs and pads are £150.00 on ebay and carriers are going for £30 a side, I would imagine 4 pots will be a lot more expensive!
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Ive got 18's fitted already, so if all thats needed to get 336mm discs from an XC90 on is caliper carriers and new discs that would be a good option, just checked, a set of genuine discs and pads are £150.00 on ebay and carriers are going for £30 a side, I would imagine 4 pots will be a lot more expensive!
It should work but I'm not so sure it is ideal because the xc90 has a larger hub bore. The sure simplest solution is the 302mm rotors. that will give you a nice "bolt on" upgrade.

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found you a link these and 302s can't go wrong
http://www.ipdusa.com/products/9263/...50-s70-v70-c70

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Old 01-27-2014, 07:22 AM   #15
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The V70R1 Brake is a direct fit to a 95+ 960... 302mm brakes as hell..


Did this to my 16v with spacers... anchors like an anchor ;)
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:34 AM   #16
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Thanks for the all the advice, 302mm it is then, any recommendations on pads, police spec V70 from Volvo or Ive had good results with EBC stuff in the past?? I appreciate Im about to open up a can of worms here but as I said originally why replace when I can upgrade!
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:30 PM   #17
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So, if these brake parts fit on a late 960/90 series car...can the suspension parts be swapped to the earlier 700/900 series cars to use these brakes as well?

EDIT: Just did some checking, according to FCP it appears that they use the same ball joint and strut mount, so therefore you *might* be able to swap strut assemblies and spindles. Tie rod ends are different part numbers, but that shouldn't be too difficult to modify if need be. I would expect that the offset will change, so you'd be able to mount Pegs without spacers!
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:25 PM   #18
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So, if these brake parts fit on a late 960/90 series car...can the suspension parts be swapped to the earlier 700/900 series cars to use these brakes as well?

EDIT: Just did some checking, according to FCP it appears that they use the same ball joint and strut mount, so therefore you *might* be able to swap strut assemblies and spindles. Tie rod ends are different part numbers, but that shouldn't be too difficult to modify if need be. I would expect that the offset will change, so you'd be able to mount Pegs without spacers!
They definitely do NOT use the same strut mount. I still can't figure out how Poi made 850 front stuff fit his 960. To do it, you'd need a custom strut mount, as the shank diameter on the strut is smaller on the 850 - you'd need to make a reduce/spacer. Here's where I tried to test-fit stock 850 stuff to my 960:

http://www.v8volvos.com/2011/09/the-...changeability/
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I still can't figure out how Poi made 850 front stuff fit his 960. http://www.v8volvos.com/2011/09/the-...changeability/
No, I mean use the 960 strut and spindle, and then use the 850/70 discs, caliper mount, and caliper.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:23 PM   #20
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so the porsche bbk that you guys are putting on the 850's would bolt up to an early 940se/960/940 with the use of washers for the brackets?
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so the porsche bbk that you guys are putting on the 850's would bolt up to an early 940se/960/940 with the use of washers for the brackets?
No, only a 95+ 960 that has revised suspension with a separate strut and knuckle.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:17 AM   #22
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The caliper and bracket are more or less the same dimensions (if a different design) on 940/960/850 . However the 850 and late 960 discs have a different offset (by 6mm) and a corresponding sideways shift in the mounting point. Therefore to fit 850 discs on a early 940 you need to space the caliper inward by those 6mm (and use longer bolts).
Presumably any kit designed to fit the 850 could also be spaced in the same way to fit the 940.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:25 AM   #23
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Here's a link to a complete conversion manual called "940 brake upgrade with 302 mm discs".

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=157001
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Here's a link to a complete conversion manual called "940 brake upgrade with 302 mm discs".

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=157001
Hot diggity dog. Strut assemblies are listed as being the same for all 700/940/early 960, so some 1/4" (6.4mm) thick spacers, a bit of grinding, and new brake lines will get me there.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:12 PM   #25
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For future reference, V70 caliper carriers and 302mm discs do indeed fit a 960, however v70 calipers are also required, ask me how I know...
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