home register FAQ memberlist calendar

Go Back   Turbobricks Forums > Mechanical > performance & modifications

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-05-2012, 09:55 AM   #1
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default 940 Brake Upgrades.

I have finally got round to sorthing the brakes out on my 94 940. The standard brakes were OK but there have been a few times when things got a bit exciting.
I actually fitted the big 302mm discs first but if you can get the parts fitting the later brake servo, pedal and pedal box first makes a big improvement over standard parts.

Looking at the part numbers there are 4 different brake pedals for a 940. You get the auto and manual versions but the number changes for cars built during 1995. A bit more comparing numbers showed that the servo number changes along with the pedal box at the same time as the pedal.

All of the other parts including the calipers and master cylinder are the same.

As part of the final update on the 940 Volvo must have decided to make the brakes feel a bit better, possibly to bring them more in line with the new 850. The servo ratio was changed from 1:4 to 1:5.2 to make the brakes lighter to use and the pedal and pedal box changed to cut down the extra travel allowed by the new servo. Along with these mods the pedal lost it's return spring and gained a new type of brake light switch.

I've driven a car with the later servo and pedal etc and it was comparing this to mine that made me realise my brakes were horrible !
Anyone wanting to make their brakes better on a pre 95 car really need to do this first. If you then find you get problems with fade, then fit the bigger discs.

If you are looking for the later servo they are made by Bosch and are painted black. Earlier Bendix servo's were plated.
The pedals can be identified in a few ways. They don't have return springs and they are cut off at an angle at the top to clear the bulkhead. They also have the later switch.

You will need,
Servo
Pedal
Pedal Box
Brake light switch
Brake light switch to connector harness.

More info Here.
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=156582

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=156503


302mm Disc Upgrade.

Now that I have fitted the larger brakes onto my car and it’s all working I thought it would be useful to list all the separate parts and give details of those that were modified.

The standard front discs fitted to later 940’s with Girling calipers are 280mm and by using parts from later models you can fit 302mm discs, matching ATE calipers and have a better range of brake pads to choose from.

These parts were fitted to some Phase 1 V70’s, C70’s, and are often used to upgrade 850’s, the only disadvantage is that you need 16” wheels or larger to clear the brake calipers. Some have found that certain genuine 16” Volvo alloys can hit the calipers so you need to check the ones you plan on using clear OK.

While this a fairly straightforward job you will need to make some modifications to the brake caliper carriers, fit some spacer washers where they mount on the front struts and use longer mounting bolts.



Parts List.



Brake Discs.

For these you need 302mm diameter discs. I went for genuine Volvo ones part number 31262095.

Brake Caliper Carriers.

There are 2 Volvo part numbers for these. Until you see both the only obvious difference is the price !
When you open the boxes it’s obvious one is plated and the other has a paint finish. I am pretty sure the plated one is a brand new item and the cheaper painted one is refurbished.
Another thing to watch is that my painted one had difference in the casting despite having the same part and casting number. Others have thought in the past that this difference in the castings was why the price and part numbers are different but I don’t think that’s correct.
Volvo part numbers for these are,
8251319 for the cheaper painted version.
8602456 for the more expensive plated ones.

To fit the carriers you need to provide clearance for the ABS sensor ring on the back of the hub. It’s easier to show what is needed with a few pictures. After filing I painted the bare bits so it would look nice for 5 minutes at least.





Spacer Washers.

You will need a total of 4 spacer washers to allow for differences in the brake disc dimensions. I made mine from 25mm diameter steel bar with a thickness of 6.3mm. The thickness isn’t super critical so going slightly bigger, ¼ “ or 6.5mm would be OK. When you fit the carrier over the disc you will see the carriers are a bit rough being just castings.

Carrier Mounting Bolts.

Due to the spacer washers the carrier mounting bolts need to be slightly longer. I bought some new M12x 35mm socket cap bolts.

Brake Calipers.

Volvo calipers are over £100 each so I went for reconditioned exchange Delphi ones. If you ask for Volvo 850 ones it’s easy as they are all the same.
Delphi part number LC4657 and LC4658

Caliper Slider Pins.

These don’t come with the callipers unfortunately and the factors I asked don’t sell them. Volvo ones are quite expensive at around £10 each. You can get them for about £4 each from Big Red which is quite a lot better. I found that because they are a fairly standard part made for ATE brakes they are fitted to other cars. Probably the most common use of ATE brakes is on Vauxhalls and checking part numbers found a lot of Cavaliers used them. I ended up using good used ones as a friend had some spare so if you have time and want to save a few quid a hunt round a breakers might be worthwhile. I don't know if this is any help to those in the US as I don't know if you have anything that uses the same brake parts other than other Volvos.
Volvo part number for these is 30648017
The ATE number is 11.8171-0008.1

Brake Hoses.

I re-used my original hoses along with the stainless steel extensions that fit between them and the callipers. If you feel the hoses look stretched you can use some slightly longer hoses, listed for Phase 1 V70’s with 16” wheels.
Here are the numbers for each.
3546813 335mm long and fitted as standard to 940’s.
9191400 355mm long.



Brake Pads.

I decided to try the police spec ones that are available for 850’s and V70’s. This is really down to personal preference. Anything made for the 850 will fit along with those from V70’s and C70’s as long as they use the same callipers.
Part number for the police spec ones are 30645240 and are supposed to not have sensor wires. Mine came with them so I carefully cut them off.



Here is a link to the original thread as a few people have asked questions.
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...98#post1200398
I realise a lot of this has been done before but might help by being in one place.
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #2
Roy 940
Board Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Under the hood...
Default

Very well documented! How much it cost (as a complete kit?)?
__________________
project Blue is Better

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=247082
Roy 940 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 02:17 PM   #3
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default

Thanks for the reply. I spent a lot of time searching this and the UK forums for information as I needed to get it right first time.
I haven't worked out the final cost. There are a lot of options in where you get the parts from. If you get them posted you need to consider the cost of returning the exchange items.

I will have a look through all the bits of paper I have and come up with some costs.
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2012, 04:44 PM   #4
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default

I have been looking at the cost of the basic brake parts.

Volvo Parts.
Carrier = £21
Disc = £53
Pads = £46

I didn't buy the guide pins as I had used ones. These are about £10 each from Volvo.

Brake Calipers.
Volvo ones are about £120 each so I bought Delphi reconditioned ones at £60.44 each.

With the VAT (20% in UK) on the parts I bought it cost about £360. If you get new longer hoses and new guide pins then it will probably add another £80 to £100 for Volvo parts.
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 10:32 AM   #5
Benjam83
Moar Volvos than Queen B
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Peoria Illinois
Default

What wheels are you running. I've got nearly everything I need to do this, and am a little apprehensive about if my wheels will fit over the brakes. I know Hydras and Perfos fit, but Columbas don't. I'm pretty sure mine will fit.....but there's still the little bit of doubt in my mind.
__________________
Ben

12 WRX Hatchback
10 Subaru Outback
93 245 m47
Benjam83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 10:53 AM   #6
thelostartof
unbalanced chemical
 
thelostartof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Apache Junction, AZ
Default

Good info.

Myself I just went with wilwoods and was done with it.
__________________
Chip Feedback Thread / PM LH 2.4 Chip Prices
thelostartof is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 11:29 AM   #7
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default

I'm running front drive 7x16 steel wheels with spacers and there is quite a bit of room, could of fitted something bigger probably ! I read about the slightly larger discs, I think they were 220mm off of another Volvo but for what I am doing these are going to be fine.

I only really decided to try and improve them after driving a newer 940 and was shocked about how much better the brakes were than mine. I really thought it was just the brake calipers of cheap pads were the problem to begine with. It was only after digging into the specification of the later cars I realised Volvo had done some modifications.

If you want the best brakes you can get then fitting aftermarket calipers is going to be the way to go. I wanted standard looking parts so I didn't get a load of trouble with insurance. They charge you more even if you make brakes better.

If there is any other info anyone needs I will try and help if I can.
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2012, 01:31 PM   #8
ZwerverRoodbaard
Board Member
 
ZwerverRoodbaard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Default

I'm currently searching for the parts that are necessary for this upgrade, but is it correct that the Volvo part-nr. for the calipers are 3516840 and 3516841?

Btw thanks for writing all the part numbers down, thats very helpfull!
__________________
1984 Volvo 360 GLS - original restoration
1986 Volvo 360 - Koni Yellow, PU, B230F, now with extra rust - project
1992 Volvo 960 - B204FT, M46, tropical green 412-22, all black leather interior
1993 Volvo 245 - B230FT, M47, green, Bilstein, Polaris, 2.5" exhaust
1995 Volvo 960 - B6254S, M90, tropical green 412-22, all beige leather interior
Scrapped:
1997 Volvo 940 Holiday - due to rust
Flickr account
ZwerverRoodbaard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2012, 02:23 PM   #9
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default

I will have a look to see what the part numbers are.

During my search I found there are 2 different numbers for the carriers. I couldn't find out what the difference was and ended up ordering the more expensive ones by mistake.
As far as I can see the expensive ones are new and the cheaper ones are remanufactured.

I discussed this on the UK forum so it might help having the links to those threads as well.

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=154501

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=155921
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2012, 04:02 PM   #10
Steve940Estate
Board Member
 
Steve940Estate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire, England
Default

Looking at the calipers for 850's numbers 3516840 is a left hand caliper and the 3516841 is the right hand one.
They also list 5003812 and 5003811 with EXC after the number.

I wonder if one is brand new and the other remanufactured ?

If you look at the later C70 Coupe there are a lot of different numbers for calipers. The ones above are listed along with some more. Perhaps they come fitted with pads and carriers, really not sure.
Steve940Estate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2012, 05:37 PM   #11
ZwerverRoodbaard
Board Member
 
ZwerverRoodbaard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Default

Scantech says that the following numbers are the same left caliper, 3516840, 5003812, 8111101, 8602457, 9142039.
So I think these are the correct numbers, I will ask the dealer if there are some differences between the parts with these numbers.
ZwerverRoodbaard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 01:38 PM   #12
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

I'm looking all over for those caliper brackets, I found one at a volvo dealer (big help there)

I spoke with FCP and they are trying to get them manufactured to offer them again. Maybe in 6-8 months they will have them available.

Anyone got a lead on a set that they could sell me?
__________________
Goldie Bricks - '92 940T : B230F+T MSnS-e...
The Black - '98 318i : stock drive-train DD

I have some cool stuff done to my cars

The Gold Car: Owner since 2001
B230F+T MS1nS-E / Ford T5, 1pc DL
ebay FMIC / Mechman Alternator
T3 60/.63 ATP WG / 98#/hr injectors
Full 3" Turbo to tail / IPD TP Cam
IPD bars / Coilovers
Koni Dampners / Lower Chassis brace
NIW-T3 camber plates / Full poly front end
Full Kaplhenke Rear end
-Torque rods -PH Bar -Subframe
Daily Parker
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 01:48 PM   #13
blkaplan
50 shades of beige
 
blkaplan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Rockville, MD
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum TE View Post
I'm looking all over for those caliper brackets, I found one at a volvo dealer (big help there)

I spoke with FCP and they are trying to get them manufactured to offer them again. Maybe in 6-8 months they will have them available.

Anyone got a lead on a set that they could sell me?
They were available new for a while at a pretty cheap price, pretty sure everyone cleared out the inventory and volvo probably never planned or intended to do another production run.
__________________
www.BEIGEPOWER.com
Kaplhenke Racing Facebook
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkKratoz View Post
The only safe bet is Ben.©
blkaplan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 03:26 PM   #14
crogthomas
Board Member
 
crogthomas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UK
Default

The brackets come up for sale frequently on the 850 section of the UK volvo owners club forum. Is there a US equivalent?
crogthomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 06:44 PM   #15
tryingbe
Boosting along.
 
tryingbe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Mesa, AZ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum TE View Post

Anyone got a lead on a set that they could sell me?
Not sure if they are sold. There are quite a few people looking for them.

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthr...-850R-Part-out
__________________
85 GLH 367whp
00 Insight mpg > yours.
tryingbe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 06:55 PM   #16
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

I can't sign up to the forum because the freaking pictogram spam protections is impossible to read.

tryingbe could you post up and give the dude my Email. I really want to get those brackets.

Last edited by Magnum TE; 06-10-2015 at 08:31 PM..
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 07:54 PM   #17
tryingbe
Boosting along.
 
tryingbe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Mesa, AZ
Default

PMed the seller. Good luck.
tryingbe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2015, 08:31 PM   #18
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

thx
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2015, 06:21 AM   #19
RichGT
Board Member
 
RichGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tāmaki Makaurau, NZ
Default

yeah im looking for a set of those brackets too if anyone can help
__________________
'80 GT, M46
'89 740ti, M90
RichGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2016, 02:51 AM   #20
RichGT
Board Member
 
RichGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tāmaki Makaurau, NZ
Default

Bumping this up - anyone got a lead on the calliper adapters?:

"...Brake Caliper Carriers.

There are 2 Volvo part numbers for these. Until you see both the only obvious difference is the price !
When you open the boxes it’s obvious one is plated and the other has a paint finish. I am pretty sure the plated one is a brand new item and the cheaper painted one is refurbished.
Another thing to watch is that my painted one had difference in the casting despite having the same part and casting number. Others have thought in the past that this difference in the castings was why the price and part numbers are different but I don’t think that’s correct.
Volvo part numbers for these are,
8251319 for the cheaper painted version.
8602456 for the more expensive plated ones.

To fit the carriers you need to provide clearance for the ABS sensor ring on the back of the hub. It’s easier to show what is needed with a few pictures. After filing I painted the bare bits so it would look nice for 5 minutes at least..."
RichGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2016, 04:48 AM   #21
Magnum TE
Broke another B230F+T
 
Magnum TE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Santa Rosa Ca
Default

I talked with FCP a few months ago and the rep told me that they were having a casting shop make these.

Maybe it's time to call them back and see how they are coming along.
Magnum TE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2016, 09:38 AM   #22
Benjam83
Moar Volvos than Queen B
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Peoria Illinois
Default

There was a guy on the turbobricks FB page that was parting a C70 with 302mm brakes. I told the guy to pull them as someone would be interested.
Benjam83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2016, 09:46 AM   #23
JerryJS8
der Junge
 
JerryJS8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Normal Saxony
Default

302mm Caliper Carriers for 27,50€

About three weeks ago they had 50 in stock, now they only have 20. Better be quick!!! I bought a pair of them myself and they are the higher quality plated version, bling!
__________________
- 1987 244 (hand-me-down first car)
- 1990 744 (white with red leather)
- 1992 965 (green with tan leather)
- 1990 744 16v (pegleg drift can)
- 1992 480 (Renault disaster)

- 1989 745 16v
- 1991 744 (SE) 16v Turbo

Quote:
Originally Posted by nordmaschine View Post
Try to recreate and see what happens, our crystall ball servers are currrently down.
JerryJS8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2016, 11:02 AM   #24
PNW940Pwnage
Board Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Olympia, Washington
Default

This was a great post!

I went the other direction with my brake upgrade, and instead brought my curb weight from 3,300 to 2,675. Brakes work better now. lol.
PNW940Pwnage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2016, 09:08 AM   #25
Benjam83
Moar Volvos than Queen B
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Peoria Illinois
Default

Now upgrade your brakes, and it'll stop as well as a normal modern car! lol.
Benjam83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:20 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.