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Old 05-12-2015, 07:56 PM   #1
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Working on an '81 Bertone to replace the cracked dash and the leaking heater core.

Let's do the dash first. Found CleanFlameTrap's dash removal thread: http://cleanflametrap.com/dash.html Thank you Art!

That solves most of the original dash removal issues but leaves the installation of the Coverlay cap to do. Yes, it came with instructions and adhesive but how about some real life experiences in getting this done?

Not having 3-400 pounds of lead shot to act as weights to hold the cap to the dash until the provided glue sets I am wondering how to do this effectively. Thought about cleaning with auto paint cleaner and sanding the old dash to make it smooth, clean and agreeable to adhesives. No telling what wonderful silicone products the previous owner(s) put on the dash in its previous lives. Thought about double backed tape to stick everything together rather than sand bags or lead shot.

Any suggestions appreciate.
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Old 05-12-2015, 08:29 PM   #2
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Maybe some 2x4s top and bottom wrapped in towels for cushioning placed strategically and held together with some Jorgensen bar clamps? That should make for a tight dash sandwich.
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Old 05-12-2015, 08:36 PM   #3
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The wife makes quilts. Lots, and lots of quilts. Maybe a quilt sandwich.

Heaven forbid that I got any adhesive on one of them.

Done a dash cap?
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Old 05-12-2015, 09:23 PM   #4
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No dash cap work. I did see one done by a member of VCOA. It was a black dash that he put the cap on it in black. I must say I had to look twice and he had to point it out that the car had a dash cap. I was impressed.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:17 PM   #5
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If the glue is oozing out then you used too much.
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Old 05-13-2015, 10:34 PM   #6
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Couldn't ever convince myself that adhesive would work and hold up over time. Mine has been attached for 14 years with 4 black interior trim screws -- two down into the top of the dash on either side of the center speaker grille. And one each into the side of the cap/dash in the area that's covered when the door is closed. Easy to remove if need be. And the dash didn't have to come out to attach it.
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Old 05-13-2015, 10:46 PM   #7
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3M VHB double side tape is good stuff. Very High Bond. On a clean surface, once it sticks it's on there for good. Make sure you place it right the first time out. I used this to reattach the cladding ( plastic trim) that runs along the bottom of the 86+ 240s. It gets washed, wet, cold, hot, always stays stuck!
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:11 AM   #8
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Look for that clear plastic wrapping/packaging stuff that comes on a roll with a handle at your local Lowes. Its with the moving boxes. I use it for wrapping and holding things together when glue is drying. Its like saran wrap on steroids. Just get it started around the dash with the cover on it and pull it tight. Its constricts and sticks to itself while you wrap it. It might work well for you. No clamp marks, heavy weights to dent anything, etc.
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Old 05-14-2015, 04:26 PM   #9
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Look for that clear plastic wrapping/packaging stuff that comes on a roll with a handle at your local Lowes. Its with the moving boxes. I use it for wrapping and holding things together when glue is drying. Its like saran wrap on steroids. Just get it started around the dash with the cover on it and pull it tight. Its constricts and sticks to itself while you wrap it. It might work well for you. No clamp marks, heavy weights to dent anything, etc.
That is a good idea if you're going to try adhesive.

I also take that stuff with me when I go to the JY. However dirty/messy the bits are - I just hit 'em like a saran-wrap-spider until everything is covered. All the dirt/grime is inside and I can put them in whatever I'm driving without concern about gunk transfer. Also great for keeping all the little nuts/bolts/fasteners/plastic bits with the part.
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:34 PM   #10
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Water bags. Thick plastic, double bag them.
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:40 PM   #11
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Just use large., long tie wraps....the real TB way,..............

How 'bout ya make a "how to" on this dash cover install?

Likely others that want to know......
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:24 PM   #12
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I got the instrument panel out but not without breaking the tamper device off. First I had to remove the speedometer cable from the transmission in order to get enough slack to move the panel out enough to get to the tamper device.

CAUTION: Don't pull the panel out by force. The first thing that will break is the plastic locking nut on the speedometer cable. Then you will have nothing holding the cable in.

Once the tamper device was off a simple twist of the locking nut and the entire panel came out. I did remove the steering wheel because it is easy and in the way.

Most of the connectors are unique and do not require much documentation. There are three single connector wires. The red/white goes to the tach. I sorta lost track of the other two but noted the wire colors on the other hobby car panel with a Sharpie. If I can't figure it out I know how to and will come back and document the connections.

Following CleanFlametraps guidance on the mystery connectors removal I got the dash out without breaking anything else.



The 3M tape solution is attractive but the temperature specs on the tape is 200*F. While the interior may not get beyond 140* or so the dash itself will certainly hit 200*. The Coverlay Sil-Bond RTV 4500 is rated to 400*F.

Now I have to figure out how to get the heater core out.

If I wasn't having so much fun I might get frustrated about now.

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Old 05-15-2015, 08:26 PM   #13
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Tip - note the driver's side and passenger's side HVAC vents that go into either side of the dash. They are side specific -- designed to channel a bit of air over to the window for defrost purposes. It's easy to get them mixed up and installed on the wrong sides. Don't ask how I know.

Be sure to let us know how many screws, clips, etc. you have left over when it's back together.
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Old 05-15-2015, 08:34 PM   #14
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Thanks, I will.
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:45 PM   #15
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No one has mentioned duct tape yet. Thought this was turbobricks.
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:55 PM   #16
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No one has mentioned duct tape yet. Thought this was turbobricks.
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:54 PM   #17
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Default Done . . .

. . . for better or worst.

I used an electric sander to sand the raised cracks and to rough up the surface for the adhesive.



I followed through on my flash of adequacy regarding using 3M Super Strong Attachment Tape. Ran strips all around the edges that the cap instructions say requires a silicone adhesive seal which I applied. The instructions are to attach at the edges leaving the open areas free to move. Hope that doesn't mean bubble/warp up. The intent is that the double backed attachment tape would hold the cap tightly to the dash until the high strength adhesive had time to set.

Note on the tape: the backing of the double backed tape is a little difficult to get off. It would be a good idea to peal them off before applying the silicone as it took me 15 minutes to get all that off and the work time of the silicone is supposed to be 10 minutes.



Seemed to have worked. The cap is held down pretty tight to the dash. Now, if it just won't release before the silicone sets.



Plastic bags of water was plan B.

Now, to address the part about the Coverlay brown, which was the closest selection to the dark palomino of the original color. It has got to be refinished and I have yet to find a close match. The local auto color shop is ordering in a can of SEM Palomino but I suspect that it is going to be too light. Next closest if the SEM Camel.



SEM Camel from their color chart.

The Bertone dash does not seem to be a 'normal' color for Volvo's of the period. The local paint shop says that they can mix a match for only a few dollars more but I would have to provide the spray equipment. I have that. Leatherique could do that also with their vinyl paint that they claim is suitable for dashes. Cost $50 vs. $20 for a can of SEM vinyl paint.

Decision for another day.

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Old 05-18-2015, 07:44 PM   #18
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Five hours after assembly nothing seems to have sprung out of shape and everything seems tightly bonded to the original dash. Maybe this worked.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:31 PM   #19
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Here is a picture of the lower glove box cropped to display the color as best a digital camera can display. This is what I need to duplicate for the entire dash.



Any suggestions appreciated.

Doing a pretty through restoration on this Bertone without any more than reasonable budget constraints is driving me to duplicate this color.

Anyone got a suggestion of anything closer than SEM Camel and Palomino?

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Tom, the SEM camel color tend sto be more "orange". I used it change the color on some door "snap ring" trim from black to tan. It was darker and didn't really match. The car was for sale so it didn't really matter, just wanted it to "look" tan. In my pic you can see the cap color. Next to it is an ash tray from a later car, different tan color. I sprayed half the ash tray so that you can ( hopefully) see the difference. Next to it Bertone seat belt real covers from the lower 1/4 panels. once again a different tan. They are lighter in color and I don't think these are faded.
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Not sure what the palomino looks like.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:55 PM   #22
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I used the Leatherique Dye to color the hat/package shelf vinyl and plastic. Mine was so faded that I didn't know any better.

Yeah, I agree that he SEM Camel is too orange and dark.

I'll post the Palomino tomorrow but am sure that it is not going to match either. Best guess at this point is that I will ask Leatherique to match the dash.

I have been VERY happy with their products and support and think for $50 can duplicate the original dash to within closer than my eyes can discern.
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Are they going to color match the dash from a swatch or are you getting a color to match the seat dye? Are we shooting for a toatl color match, seats, dash, package tray, trim? That would be ideal!
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:20 AM   #24
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The plan is to restore the interior to original. Getting discouraged about carpet dye. I forwarded to you a response from Leatherique regarding application with a toothbrush. Guess I will go look for new carpet.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:44 AM   #25
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Toothbrush. Had a friend in the marines who got back late from leave once. He had to scrub an entire bathroom with a toothbrush. Boy did he have a story for us. Never late again. I'll try to get better pics of the carpet I purchased last century. Have you tried to contact them to see if they are still in business?

PS : It's looking more and more like the end of the month. Didn't realize this weekend is Memorial Day.
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